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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Oct 21, 2015 - 11:17pm PT
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the problem with the harper majority of the last four years wasn't that it was harper...
it was that it was a majority.
harper's 2011 54% of seats was derived from a popular vote of 39.6% of 61.1% voter turnout.
this means his majority power was derived from 24.2% of the people.
and no the issue was not, is not and will not be voter turnout.
it was, is and will continue to be representation based on a system of first past the post.
trudeau promised as part of his platform that he would reform fptp within 18 mos.
i don't give a sh#t whether it takes him 18 mos or not, as long as he gets it [meaningfully!] done before the next election. and i frankly don't care whether he keeps any of his other promises as long as he keeps this one.
because the intrinsic problem with voting in this country is that we have to vote the bums out every 10 or so years. and the reason this happens is that "the bums" are given more power than they are actually warranted, it goes to their heads, and then "we" the inevitable majority who didn't vote for them get annoyed and vote them out.
and then rinse, wash and repeat ad infinitum.
the sooner we get rid of fptp the sooner future despots like harper will be forced to deal with actual governance based on conversation and compromise.
everything else trudeau and co have proposed is, as someone upthread so eloquently put it, just a fresh tube of lube.
if trudeau is to be more than "new boss: same as the old boss", this is the only issue that i'm aware of his proposing that gets to the heart of the cyclical mismanagement and misrepresentation that we have seen at least in all of the years i have been alive.
while i'm eternally optimistic and hope he follows through, i'm also old enough that i won't be holding my breath.
especially now that he is the one who just won 54% of the seats based on a popular vote of 39.5% of 68.5% voter turnout.
huh. funny how those numbers seem to ring a bell...
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Oct 22, 2015 - 02:10am PT
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^^
Well, it's working in Oregon and California,, Colorado, too.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Oct 22, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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And Harper would have been kicked out on his sociopathic ass the first time he got into power if he hadn't been saved from political obscurity by the Liberal refusal to turf out his minority government in a non-confidence motion in Parliament.
Trudeau seems to be an improvement to Harper - mind you, even a sewer rat would look pretty good in comparison to Stevie boy. I would be delighted to discover that I am completely mistaken about our mew PM, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 22, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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So, can I come back now?
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Oct 22, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
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I hope Justin remembers that he owes his majority to strategic voting - people so desperate to get rid of Harper that they held their nose, changed their vote from NDP or Green to Liberal. I saw one person in tears about having to do that.
Nah000 is right - if JT follows through and dumps the first past the post system, we have half a chance of getting a representative government next time.
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Plaidman
Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
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Oct 23, 2015 - 10:02pm PT
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It's Pete on Plaids phone.
We have a new PM?? O'Really?
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Oct 17, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
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O Cannabis,
Our best and favorite high
Through ganja love, Canucks are ready to fly
With wasted heads, we see thee rise,
The True North stoned and free
From far and wide,
O Cannabis,we grow our weed for thee!
Jah keep our land glorious and free!
O Cannabis,we grow our weed for thee!
O Cannabis,we grow our weed for thee!
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Oct 17, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
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We care about the environment? Good joke as we know we don't.
We are better than the Russians though
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 17, 2018 - 05:32pm PT
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I don't partake, but good for them. Decriminalize all drugs everywhere. End the failed war on drugs and invest half those billions saved in education and programs to get those who want to get clean a chance.
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Oct 17, 2018 - 06:25pm PT
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I am all for legalized pot but a whole thread praising Canada seems a little much. It is still Canada after all
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Oct 17, 2018 - 06:32pm PT
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Only the last five posts are regarding legalization, not the whole thread.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 17, 2018 - 06:47pm PT
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The growing body of medical evidence as to the adverse effects of pot would indicate this event does not merit the unbridled joy extant.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Oct 17, 2018 - 07:07pm PT
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I half expected the office to clear out at 4:20 today but it didn't happen
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:59am PT
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Hah. Cosmic wins the internet! Get ultra safe today, for all of us, and join Canada in cannabis solidarity.
BAd
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 18, 2018 - 07:22am PT
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I'm pretty safe right now.
Cheers to our fellow North Americans, dudes!
However, the Feds want everyone up there to know it's still against federal law to bring ganja into our fair country from your fair country.
Quote:
"a Canadian citizen working in or facilitating the proliferation of the legal marijuana industry in Canada, coming to the United States for reasons unrelated to the marijuana industry will generally be admissible to the United States.”
“However, if a traveler is found to be coming to the United States for reasons related to the marijuana industry, they may be deemed inadmissible,”
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/trump-administration-has-calm-response-to-canadian-marijuana-legalization/
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 18, 2018 - 07:48am PT
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Phillip Morris of Canada will be able to dig some pretty impressive tunnels under the border.
The absurdity of laws regulating the supply side of a demand problem.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:32am PT
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Tami deleted all of her posts on this thread and has disappeared. We all need to start treating each other better. Warm regards to all:
Damn.
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