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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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19 people have been killed by German police since 1967
That's fewer than 1 every 2 years for 81 million people.
I'll take my chances in Germany thank you.
When people trust the police they cooperate more fully with them. And ANY cop on the beat will tell you their most important information comes from the citizens.
You want better public safety? Train the cops so that the population trusts them. Fire the bad apples or send them to prison.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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"Suicide by cop?
What purpose is there in letting the cops collude with the potential suicide by shooting them?
As I said, if the suicidee is armed the cops MAY have a reason to shoot. But only if someone's life is in imminent danger."
That may be the most idiotic post on this worthless thread. Do you understand how suicide by cop works?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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So donini, what is the worst tooling you've had?
Police brutality is the fault of the tens of millions of law abiding gun owners?
REALLY!
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Welcome to my World. This is what I do, I sue miscreant cops in federal court.
Unfortunately, although it goes without saying that there are a lot of GOOD cops in this country, the ones that are committing these offenses are always getting off without any internal discipline, much less any actual prosecution for wrong doing.
The problem for the most part is the CULTURE, officers believe they are untouchable because admittedly they have a tough job. But then they fall into the trap of believing their own propaganda, fostering excessive recourse to violent and lethal methods. Certain departments are better than others at curtailing the excesses, but many go overboard defending their officers. We always have to deal with the political issue when we try to settle; after all, how many city council officials are willing to pay money for police misconduct and risk being tagged as not backing up their officers.
I generally say we have two types of cops that get sued, the out and out thugs (and everybody knows who they are), and the cops who get caught up in a situation and make a mistake or panic. Training goes out the window. Unfortunately, someone pays a heavy price, often with their lives, but then they all rally together to cover their collective asses and no effort is made to figure out the mistake, own up to it, and then find a remedy.
Ponder this: I once spoke to an attorney about the cops in his city (suburban LA), and he told me - "Jorge, I know what you are saying, our cops are a bunch of cowboys. But what you don't understand is - we like them like that!"
Q is, are we as a society willing to pay for that, ethically and financially?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I think a lot has to do with the constant and false "wars" our corrupt nation is always fighting.
War on communism, War on drugs, War on terrorism(i.e. islam), war EastAsia, war with Eurasia(Read 1984 cover to cover again)....
That position of always being at war with some nefarious evil trickles down from the military into civilian police as well in terms of budgets and attitudes.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I have such huge respect for excellent police officers. Many are. I've known and worked with some. What I don't understand is why these guys don't have high enough respect for what they do that they don't self "police" their own.
Perhaps there are not enough really good ones to do that.. I'm beginning to believe that.
Certainly in my lifetime I have seen police conduct and quality drop drastically.
Long ago I realized the the most dangerous individuals I will likely encounter from day to day are police. Most likely to ruin my life for no good reason. Humans can be dangerous.. humans with extra authority and power the most dangerous.
They must be held to very high standards or fired/incarcerated when they mess up. Period.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Talking about Wars . . . Read Rise of the Warrior Cop, Radley Balko.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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GG, good post. Growing up in Chicago you understood two things:
1. You get outta line and you're gonna get yer azz whipped and there wasn't
no ACLU and you knew you deserved it anyway. But you didn't have to worry
about being shot, unless you also deserved it.
2. You ALWAYS wrapped yer driver's license in a fiver, or a tenner if you
thought it appropriate, when the nice officer asked for it and everybody
went home happy.
Life was simpler back then.
When did cops get so mean? I mean, hell, they get paid waay more now than
they did BITD, especially seeing as how half of 'em retire at 35 when their
'back goes out'.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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So mister head in the sand.. cops are just fine..why do our cops kill more people than several other countries combined?
Why isn't America best?
You Forgot Hawaii... lowest gun violence in the nation strongest gun regulations.. massively liberal, Or New Hampshire or Vermont..
Get your head out of the sand. Stop looking for simple but false answers to complicated issues.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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S5ill doesn't explain why many other countries kill a lot less of their people per capita. Just because some thing is justifiable doesn't mean you have to do it. Something's wrong that much is clear
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Some folks just need killin'.
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crankster
Trad climber
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I don't hear anyone saying all cops are bad. But excusing them all is ridiculous, at best. 99+% justifiable? Where did you pull that number from?
Sounds like your opinion rather than a statistic based on facts.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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The Moose understands. TheMaster does not.
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WBraun
climber
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Stupid Americans vote for criminals to lead them and then wonder why they get shot ......
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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For starters the cops I know are 2nd amendment supporters. They know that the guys carrying guns they have to worry about did not get them legally in the first place. I have, on two occasions, (one a stalker situation and the other having a "10" GF in the middle of nowhere,) ask me if I had a gun. My answer "yes" was met with approval.
You Forgot Hawaii... lowest gun violence in the nation strongest gun regulations.. massively liberal, Or New Hampshire or Vermont
Vermont has the least restrictive gun regulations in the US. Constitutional Carry allows anyone to carry concealed or open except in a school or courthouse. Not much crime there.
As for New Hampshire, No license is required to openly carry a firearm while on foot, but carry of a loaded pistol or revolver in a motor vehicle, openly or concealed, does require a license. The license costs $10 and there is no definition of who is suitable. There is not even an age limit. Under 16? No problem. Not much crime there either.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Stupid Americans vote for criminals to lead them and then wonder why they get shot ......
Hahahaha, man, that smoking duck...
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Stupid Americans vote for criminals to lead them and then wonder why they get shot ......
That is classic
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