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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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I too am among those that really think a second tab for political or off climbing topic threads would be fantastic.
I find that I post here and write less Trip Reports here than I used to thanks to the front page that is often clogged up with non-climbing content. I don't participate in those discussions, but its a choice to click. No big deal. I'd just be more stoked to write and post and contribute if there were more easily visible climbing topics up front.
The truth is, the climbing topics (or any other topic) that falls three pages back often slowly die out and the conversations and stoke fall on deaf "ears".
I'm fine if the Political threads stay around somehow, because a lot of those dudes squabbling over there are really rad climbers....or once were....and it is my hope that every once in a while they contribute to the climbing scene here.
ALSO....IS IT JUST ME OR HAVE OTHER USERS BEEN FINDING THAT WHEN THEY CLICK ON THINGS HERE AT SUPERTOPO THEY CONSTANTLY GET RE-DIRECTED TO OTHER WEBSITES!!! Its a total drag. About every dozen clicks or so I am being re-directed to sponsor sites and spam sites. Please let me know if its just me.
Thanks!
Scott
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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When does OT become so far off that it doesn't belong?
Specifically, do blatantly political threads like "Why Republicans are wrong..." belong on SuperTopo?
Does the inherent partisan nature of the topic simply beg people to fall into name calling and personal attacks (which is the worst of the forum from many people's point of view, mine included).
I think that's the wrong question. A better approach would be to more proactive about warning individual people to behave nicer/post less.
This, unfortunately, means more moderation, more work. No getting around it.
Ghost pretty much sums up my thoughts on the current situation:
"I would love to be able to engage in off-topic discussions on all kinds of subjects, even including politics and religion, with most of the posters on this site.
But there are eight or ten people -- and we all know who they are -- whose idea of "discussion" is to scream "You're a f*#king as#@&%e, and everything you believe is not only stupid, but dead wrong." They ruin it for everyone else.
I guess my question to you, Chris, is why do you let that handful of people wreck things for everyone else? You know who they are, and you know that most of them don't post much climbing content, so why not give them one polite warning to stop ruining things for others, and just drop the axe if they don't heed you?"
What to do?
Perhaps we could get partway there if you tell the least pleasant/most prolific posters of your choosing to A) not start new OT threads and B) not to post to other folks' "OT" threads, if labeled as such. For three months. See if that helps the dynamic.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
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"but then it wouldn't be a caaaaampfire"
lol
politics is usually one the least discussed topics at most campfires I've sat around
yep
weird how the more prolific you are as a shitposter the more likely you are to dislike the idea of an OT tab
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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Only here will someone celled "Roots" be calling for segregation.
Funny post, but I prefer to think my request is for organization of topics so they can be easily found or ignored.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
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^^ case in point
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Dec 11, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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maybe all the good words can be in red ink
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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Threads specifically designed to bring out the worst in human behavior do not belong. It is a subjective standard, but it is your site so you need to decide when the line has been crossed. It is better the nuke the thread early before some folks feel they have too much personally invested. My $.02.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
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Threads specifically designed to bring out the worst in human behavior do not belong.
That's a good way to put it.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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I don't have a problem with that thread or any other politard thread. I never click on them.
The ebb and flow of supertopo is what keeps me around. I'd be bummed and probably leave if it got all sanitized and sh#t.
Thx for the forum Chris! +1 What The Larry said.
+1 What MisterE said about what The Larry said.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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I used to be a proponent of making separate categories for various topics. Not so much any more. But I do hate that the political threads cause climbing threads and TRs to drop off the page. Personally, I don't think political threads belong on the forum. I don't click on them anymore. The spew and vitriol on them is pointless.
Some people just want to find a fight and throw virtual swings at each other. Fine by me but take it somewhere else. I'd like to see a separate category for the political crap to keep them from dropping climbing content.
OT threads like health, bikes, RIPs, etc. have value.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
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Unsure. More climbing stuff would be good, but I don't know if more moderation will make more good content show up. Pay for good stories might bring around more climbers and good writing. I would like to do write more, but it is hard work and I suck at it. $100 if a TR gets 10,000 views by someone other than yourself. Ha Ha. A guidebook if a photo gets rated by more than like three people.
BTW it close to 70 degrees today and is supposed to be again tomorrow.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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Does the inherent partisan nature of the topic simply beg people to fall into name calling and personal attacks (which is the worst of the forum from many people's point of view, mine included).
I think what you are really asking here is, is this kind of thread what I want my brand to be represented by?
I think you know the answer. So what's the solution? How can you please all camps without generating a ton of work you don't want to do or pay for?
I think you can separate things and keep them the same. You can add a view option to everyone's profile. Much like a folder in windows. The current supertopo standard would be called "Classic" view. For those users nothing would change.
Then you create a "Tabs" view where there is a "Climbing" and a "OT" tab.
You could add a box to the post new topic page which would add a "climbing" or "ot" value to each new thread. Most users would be respectful of that but trolls would obviously need moderation.
For that you could give some long time users who are interested moderation powers to move threads to the proper places and notify management about problem users.
You could make "Tabs" the standard view for all new users and guests to represent the brand better. Or leave it as it but give those who want it a choice.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 11, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
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Calculate the ratio of personal attacks (many here are saying they are the real culprit) to no-personal attack messages in the thread. When a threshold is reached, send the attackers to the corner for a time-out.
If the attacks continue then rectal hydration is in order.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
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What everyone seems to not get is that if you want to moderate everything then you have to read everything. No one wants that job on this site.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
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Was just checking the Oregon surf site. They have a tab for " those who think they surf" . This where all the bs goes.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
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I think of the political threads the same way I think of television.
Babysitter of the masses.
They keep the crags less crowded too!
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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I'm mostly interested in old bitter dudes posting about their BITD adventures. And their thoughts on religion...so interesting! But knowing what classic rock song they think is the best, well, doesn't get any better than that.
Unless they talking hunting...that's the ultimate. More!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
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Meh...I trust The Chris. He's on The Scene.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
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The ebb and flow of supertopo is what keeps me around. I'd be bummed and probably leave if it got all sanitized and sh#t.
Perfectly said.
I like the discussion(s), all of them. There's a lot more to this site than just milktoast "all-climbing" stuff (I know Dingus, copyright violation - so sue me).
And I do read some of the political stuff.
I miss Fatrad and the other "outrageous" posters. They give/gave the site character. Even people like The Chief: the guy's a major jackass, and an endless form of entertainment. Their "outrageous" stuff makes this site's forum stand out!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 11, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
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Chris,
Many of us have been asking you for a separation of climbing stuff and non-climbing stuff for years.
Why don't you TRY doing this?? What do you have to lose? Split the forum into two places, and see how it goes. If it doesn't work and you lose business, reverse the move.
Or do as Big Mike suggests - have a "classic" view and a "tabs" view.
The off-topic stuff is incredibly tiresome. You are right - it is time to do something about it.
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