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salad
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San Diego
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Dec 23, 2006 - 10:08am PT
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i went to the moon once. back in college. made it up and back in about 5 hours.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Dec 23, 2006 - 11:49am PT
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one day the human race will return to the moon.
Hell, if the russians were so into proving we didn't go they could have gone up there themselves, gone to the landing spot, and prove it one way or the other.
we left a bunch of junk up there - it'll be interesting when humans return to those spots and photoducument what we left behind. that should shut a few whacko-conspiriacy-nut-job-pieholes up quick like...
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Dec 23, 2006 - 12:43pm PT
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Yes. Why not? We could probably put a guy up there with a parachute... Hey Mac... Think of the hang time on that base jump?
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 23, 2006 - 01:02pm PT
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They never went .... hehehe
Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth's Van Allen belt. But the so called Moon they claimed they went to, is 240,000 miles distant, way outside this safe band. And, during the Apollo flights, astronomical data shows there were no less than 1,485 such flares.
John Mauldin, a physicist who works for NASA, once said shielding at least two meters thick would be needed. Yet the walls of the Lunar Landers which took astronauts from the spaceship to the moons surface were, said NASA, "about the thickness of heavy duty aluminum foil". How could that stop this deadly radiation? And if the astronauts were protected by their space suits, why didn't rescue workers use such protective gear at the Chernobyl meltdown, which released only a fraction of the dose astronauts would encounter? Not one Apollo astronaut ever contracted cancer--not even the Apollo 16 crew who were on their way to the Moon when a big flare started.
"They should have been fried"
The Vedic account of our planetary system is already researched, concluded, and perfect. The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun. Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the "astronauts" have traveled to the moon--a distance of almost 94 million miles--in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)?
If anywhere they went to Rahu ...... look it up you'll see.
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Dec 23, 2006 - 03:45pm PT
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Werner, you should try posting links to the stuff you cut and paste. Just common decency in regards to other peoples work.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 23, 2006 - 04:52pm PT
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WB,
I have a lot of respect for you. However, I can't figure out if you really believe what you are saying about not going to the Moon, or are you seriously pulling our leg? You are joking right???
It is easy to lay it all to rest. Send up a moon orbiter AGAIN with high resolution remote sensing imaging and image all the junk and tracks we left. We have spy satellites that can tell from space if a coin is heads or tails on the surface of the Earth.
Let Werner remotely control and point the imaging system/camera at NASA where ever he wants to with a map of the Moon and the Apollo landing sites. Then we won't have to hear it again.
How about it Werner? Now we just have to convince NASA.
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goatboy smellz
climber
boulder county
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Dec 23, 2006 - 04:59pm PT
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If we do send a rover I call dibs on the Hasselblad we left up there.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Dec 23, 2006 - 05:06pm PT
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Klimmer - actually, it's not that easy. Remember, the moon is 93.8 million miles away. Even though every physicist on the planet has data/models to suggest otherwise, it's all about the perfection of the Veda's.
The moon moving physically in front of the sun - wait, how does that work again, Werner? They call it an eclipse - how is it that everyone has it all backwards? Oh, nevermind, they don't.
He's serious from that I gather. kinda scary if you ask me.
It is interesting that he buys into the modern physicist model of the radiation while deny said same physicist models of the distance of the moon. I guess the Veda's didn't tackle space flight and the radiation one might encounter (though I will say that is some reasonable thinking as to why the moon shot maybe didn't happen - I'd like to see more of that data discussed).
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 23, 2006 - 06:24pm PT
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Rahu, makes the eclipse. Check it out you'll see.
Candraloka, the moon is not the one the modern scientists, physicists think they went to. There is a hidden planet to the human eye called Rahu.
Now 99% of the world will not agree,and 100% of supertopo denizens will definitely not agree either, so what can be done? LOL
You'll just have to find out for yourselves.
Knowledge is not some cheap thing ..........
P.S. Nature, when you say I guess, it means speculation. The truth is never speculation.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Dec 23, 2006 - 11:27pm PT
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Hey, y'all. I'm no "rocket scientist", but I remember off the top of my head from all of those science classes that the SUN is 93 million miles away--the MOON is "only" 186,000 miles. Check it out for sure, but it seems that those figures were pretty much hammered on for tests, and I got mostly straight A's.
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Dec 24, 2006 - 12:00am PT
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But the most important question is how far from the sun is the hidden planet Rahu?
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John Moosie
climber
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Dec 24, 2006 - 12:58am PT
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Hi Werner,
I have not yet studied the Vedas. You wrote,
"Rahu, makes the eclipse. Check it out you'll see.
Candraloka, the moon is not the one the modern scientists, physicists think they went to. There is a hidden planet to the human eye called Rahu."
My question is this. A type of prizm was supposedly placed on the object that we call the moon. Here is a link to the info.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo11/A11_Experiments_LRRR.html
So if this is true and Rahu is the object that is close to the Earth but can not be seen, then what are we bouncing lasers off of? Are you calling the mirror thing a lie?
I am just curious. I am not trying to flame you. I respect what you do too much.
Thank you,
John
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oldtopangalizard
Social climber
ca
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Dec 25, 2006 - 07:13am PT
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Until the day she died in 1984, my grandmother believed the moon landing was a hoax.
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andanother
climber
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Dec 25, 2006 - 12:15pm PT
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Oh my.
I can't tell if WBraun is being serious or not. Right now everyone is biting their tongue, thinking "Damn. Werner is a badass climber and I have a lot of respect for the things he has done in Yosemite. And for that reason, I'm not going to call him out on his complete lack of reasoning and intelligence"
There are some pretty wacky conspiracy theorists out there. And some of the time I might fall into that category of "wacky".
But that one takes the cake! Say hello to the rest of the scientologists, WBraun. Did John Travolta come out of the closet yet?
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Dec 25, 2006 - 02:13pm PT
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It's all about religion. When secular facts go against any religious belief system, faith becomes that much deeper.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 25, 2006 - 02:14pm PT
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So the knowledge to split the atom was taken from the Vedas, without the Vedas they would never have understood the process.
The Vedas describe the actual inhabitants of the moon and it's distance from earth, along with the moons physical properties.
The Vedic knowledge is taken as absolute. What can be done. I can't change it to conform to my own speculation. Thus It's conclusion has given that they never went there.
We will see what the truth holds ........
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andanother
climber
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Dec 25, 2006 - 03:51pm PT
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So I just did a little research into this stuff that WBraun is talking about, and apparently he's not making it up.
There are people out there that actually believe this stuff! Do a little bit of reading and I think you'll lose all respect for WBraun's "intelligence". That guy is a screw ball!
None of it makes sense, and can very easily be disproved by basic science. But who need "science"? Who needs "facts"? Who needs "evidence" or "logic"?
Some people need to believe in a higher power. And I'm not trying to insult your religion, or your need for religion. But that stuff is just plain goofy!
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