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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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What, Ward, you don't think your characterization of Obama was just a little over the top?
Unqualified? Arguable. Incompetent? Arguable. But narcissistic? Nonsense. Pathological? Nonsense.
Sympathetic to Muslims? Yes, but to a point aren't we all? But sympathetic to extremist Muslims? If by that you mean militant Islamists (aka jihadis)? Nonsense.
Less hyperbole, please.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Why do not people post with their real names? Oh, please forgive me, I am an igornamus.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Ward, you're channeling any nutcase heard daily on Fox News or talk radio. Thanks for condensing it and sparing us normal folks from having to listen to it.
I'm not listening to Obam'a's old speeches, no..I'm listening to Hillary, the next president.
I assume you're reading Chris Christie's Autobiography? The musings of Donald Trump? Jokes for the John by Ted Nugent? Reruns of Sarah Palin's Alaska?
I guess you righties want nukes sent, right? Troops? You, your kids? Or maybe you want to sit in your recliner and watch grainy videos of "smart" bombs taking out buildings while you drink Bud and eat pizza with your fellow armchair patriots.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Fundamentalist Islam is not "a religion of peace." Fruity
maybe you should have said "Jihadist Islam is not a religion of peace"?
Regardless, whats ur point?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dear Mr. Syrup,
Could you please just summarize what your point is. In your own words. What do you think the problem is? Is there a problem, or are we just doing what we do to get from point a to point b?
Do you feel a need to convince people that they are missing something that you can give them?
Are you trolling?
Are you looking for a nice discussion where everyone agrees?
Do you have room for other's opinions?
Just a few questions, I have more.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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What, Ward, you don't think your characterization of Obama was just a little over the top?
Vaknin doesn't have a political ax to grind. At least I've not detected any. Vaknin himself has been twice diagnosed with NPD.
Ignore the LaRouche auspices. I am not a LaRouchie.
Remember this interview occurred in 2010.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Many political leaders , past and present , are narcissistic personality types.. Obama is not alone.
We as a society must emerge from our collective denial ,become educated ,and be on the lookout for them, or we'll pay a hefty price.
We have enough problems without putting personality disorders in the White House.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I'm listening to Hillary, the next president
WHat did they do, write afirmitive action into the Constitution?
"USAA" United States of Afirmitive Action
Where YOU can be president just by being different /No Brains Required!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Well, Wayno, where's the confusion?
Weren't the first couple of posts pretty clear as to some of the points? For instance: the spread of the caliphate: Not good. Get informed. Pay attention to this movement, it's on the rise. A grasp of the basic principles of Islam as expressed in the Koran cold be useful.
But ask away.
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Blu, fundamentalism by definition concerns adhering to the fundamentals (the fundamental principles) of the scripture. Thus, those who read the Koran, better, study it, realize that it is in effect a warrior's playbook as means to eternal life in heaven as much as anything. Thus the earlier statement, "fundamentalist Islam is not a religion of peace." Hope that's clear.
Agree, the language can be confusing as some of the terminology is still sorting itself out.
No doubt, there are plenty of peaceful fundamentalists of Islam. Then again they wouldn't be if they actually followed through on the teachings of the Koran - just as the jihadis in fact do.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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HFCS posted I'm sure like most other Americans, you've read the Koran, you've traveled these countries, you've studied seriously comparative religions and theologies and, as part of that experience, discovered for yourself that, hey, traditional fundamentalism of Islam is much more like gentle, humble Jainism and nothing at all like the worst 16th century fundamentalist Christianity.
Guys it's totally cool for me to ignore all evidence to the contrary and paint billions of people with the same brush. I've STUDIED! For my next thread: biotruths! After that: phrenology!
*edit* if you're really trying to limit your accusations to fundamentalists, using "I've read the koran" as evidence probably isn't a smart way to go. Are all (or most) fundamentalist Muslims as brutal as ISIS? I don't know, they don't make headlines. I'm willing to bet you don't either. If you're thread is intended to prove to everyone that people trying to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state through violence are bad people, you're making a clumsy, moot point. I'm not sure you're going to find anyone who disagrees with you or who doesn't know that already.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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hddj, your illiteracy on the subjects comes through loud and clear.
edit to edit: and if not illiteracy then how about your out-of-touch lack of concern.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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HFCS continued No doubt, there are plenty of peaceful fundamentalists of Islam. Then again they wouldn't be if they actually followed through on the teachings of the Koran - just as the jihadis in fact do.
Neither would Jews or Christians if they followed everything in the Old Testament. Homicide and slavery are pretty heavily endorsed in there.
HFCS replied hddj, your illiteracy on the subjects comes through loud and clear.
BOW BEFORE HFCS ALL YE IGNORAMI!
Seriously, dude. This is pathetic stuff you're pushing here.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Perhaps types like you ought to be grateful there are types like me in the world, or you'd already be living under some kind of caliphate, Islamic or otherwise. Food for thought.
Types like you and types like me. This is the root of the problem you seem to recognize so well.
It's about perspective and the sovereignty of individual experience. We all have it and no two are the same.
I think what you are saying has more to do with what people value and the commonality or lack thereof.
It just seems to me you are being a bit alarmist. Don't we get enough of that in the mass media. Is it really that important?
I think you have a valid perspective,and I do not wish to argue or express my view as having more value to anyone else but me. It seems that if you would want somebody to embrace your viewpoint or opinion, you would avoid calling them ignorant or trying to classify their remarks in any way.
It also seems you have already decided that your point is unchangeable and that it is up to others to see your point or they are worthless.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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The difference is numbers, of course. Also culture. As others savvy in religions and theisms have pointed out in recent years the Judeo-Christian branches of the Abrahamic superreligion have had their reformations, long ago, but not Islam. In this day and age, that makes all the difference. Just as we're seeing some of it play out on our social media today.
This is pathetic stuff you're pushing here.
LOL! Just what is being pushed here?! Relax, dude!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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"I'm just telling you that Islam is a religion of violence trying to create the most violent state that has ever existed and if you disagree with me you're illiterate, ok? Calm down."
Also, did you just try to refute American barbarism earlier?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Thanks Fruity
Thus, "fundamentalist Islam is not a religion of peace." Hope that's clear.
i am familiar with Islam, it was ur writting that was unclear.
and what is now even more clear is your motivation to throw darts at the worst of religion to try and pop the whole ballon.
Meanwhile, whats ur view on Objective Morales?
If evolution is right, those guys will soon feel the "effects" of their "cause" right?
What effects are you feeling?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I just want to know if they have invaded Florida yet.
Then I may actually care.. but I'm not sure about that.
HMMM perhaps if they invaded Texas Arizona and Southern California .. we could let them have that stuff.
Might solve that immigration problem.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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If evolution is right, those guys will soon feel the "effects" of their "cause" right?
Eventually like the Nazis and Khmer Rouge,
just that a whole lot of innocent people end up dieing in the process.
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Gimp
Trad climber
Missoula, MT & "Pourland", OR
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“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls energy can control whole continents; who controls money controls the world.”
-Henry Kissinger
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Do we come from the same planet? Do we watch the same news broadcasts?!
That's the difference, dipsh*t.
You stipulate that you get your information from news broadcasts. How intellectual.
Other than your ancient history with the middle east, that seems to be it, for you.
You might try conversing with scholars, which I do. Attending conferences on these subjects, which I do. Conversing with colleagues who come from these countries, which I do. I do all these things monthly, and have done so for decades.
But is that your best argument? Because someone has experience, they are right? Ok, then the world's expert is Dick Cheney.
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