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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Regarding the frogs.
The San Gabriels are full of countless canyons and streams which are difficult, often nearly impossible to get to. Even John Muir commented on how inaccessible these mountains are. But the USFS is using a study of a short stretch of a roadside stream to determine the health of this species. Seems like a stretch to me.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Is the permit thing on a daily basis or do you apply for a permit for the whole "season" (sorry I didn't have time to read the links yet)?
I see people saying over and over, that the "fee" is for climbing. It is not. It is for reserving a permit to access the area.
If you think this is a slippery slope, you are decades late. Think Whitney, Think Rainier, think Half-Dome. Think permits for backpacking.
You will pay the same fee as the person who gets a permit to go have a pic-a-nic lunch down at the rock. The fee is not for climbing, and saying so simply means that your comments will otherwise be dismissed.
HOWEVER, the suggestion above, is interesting. They have such a system on Rainier, where you can get a 1 week permit, or a season permit.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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No fee-based access to USFS land!
Tell a friend! (And your congressional representative!)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Another regressive tax on the working class.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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in 1994 one of those fuking yellow frogs bit me on my leg
you've got six legs?
certainly suggests the hypothesis you love flying around sh#t...
as for user fees, ask your 'Gunks climbing friends about that... fact of life there.
Toula's Rock 'n' Road gives Williamson three stars (the same number as Pinnacles... JTree gets four stars, as did Yosemite, Tuolumne...)
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sowr
Trad climber
CA
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Thanks for posting Chris. I think any change of state would be beneficial, not only to climbing but would perhaps alleviate pressure on other local crags - Holcomb comes to mind.
I think we need to prove that we can be worked with, and that we are cooperative as a community. This angry young man stuff seems cool but it's going to bite us. We need to network and form relationships with the authorities.
I think the notion that a limited opening of Williamson to climbing would reduce crowds at other crags might be used as one of your points.
Good idea to use only the long trail.
It should be up to us to help educate visitors to the crag. This is a critical point, as a lot of climbers are going to be coming straight from the gym.
I'm happy to help in writing things up etc.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Spider Savage wrote
>>I've been working on my letter.. and I've hit on an idea.
IF you have the time to read it, here is my first rough draft of the things they should know when making decisions on what to do:
>> 1) Williamson Rock is not considered a high quality climbing area.
Disagree. Lots of climbers like it.
>> 2) There are many options around the region with climbing at Idyllwild.
Disagree. There are actually limited options in hot summer. Williamson is the only big summer crag in the entire ANF.
>> 3) ...Very few climbers would consider walking all the way from the parking lot at Krakta Ridge.
>> 4) A climbing area can become popular for a period of time. But then the popularity goes away, almost always. The rise in popularity can usually be traced to one person or a small group of persons who put up new routes.
Disagree. If it were reopened, it would again become popular.
>> 5) Climbers like variety. They don’t like to do the same old climbs over and over. The average climber might visit a place like Mt Williamson once or just a few times a year.
Disagree. Lots of climbers used to and would again go a lot more than that. There is no such thing as an average climber.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I think we need to prove that we can be worked with, and that we are cooperative as a community. This angry young man stuff seems cool but it's going to bite us. We need to network and form relationships with the authorities.
Bingo.
If we are good stewards, and demonstrate good ethics, then things can change.
Actually working to build that trail (in the right way) would do a lot to help.
The forest is looking at spending a LOT of scarce money to build infrastructure just for climbers.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2014 - 08:59am PT
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SOWR - Yep, Holcomb is the new popular summer area, as per my "new area" theory.
Splatter - Good. Need more people to chime in and bash my write up with their wisdom. It's how we get places.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Aug 11, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
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The Center for Biological Diversity controls the Federal government.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 11, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
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Try the Black Tower area if you want to beat the crowds and the heat. You will need gear though
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Sep 22, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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Climbing may be allowed at Williamson in 2016.
On a very restricted basis.
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