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Karen
Trad climber
Good question?
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Aug 27, 2006 - 03:40pm PT
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I am looking to leave this area (Hell A)...since my daughter will be attending Cal Berkeley, thinking of relocating up by the Bay area. So far I am told to avoid certain areas of Oakland (near the where the Raiders play) and Richmond is supposedly way ghetto.
I do not intend on buying a house, will rent and this move is only temporary (while daughter finishes up her last two years at Cal). After this, my full intention is to finally go live where I can ski, climb, hike, and bike. My guess will be on the Eastside, since IMO it is the single most awesome place !!!!
Any info on the Bay area would be appreciated...
Thanks,
Karen
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Aug 27, 2006 - 03:51pm PT
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A complicated and specific question. You're dead-on on the Richmond thing, stay away from there. Lots of fun options in Bezerkeley and other places, it's all expensive,more options if you're a multimillionaire, of course, but you knew that.
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10b4me
Trad climber
California
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Aug 27, 2006 - 04:53pm PT
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Crimpie, Flag is awesome. Wish I lived there. great bouldering, and climbing. A few hours to Josh, Bishop, Red Rock, Zion, and Moab; and not much farther to the Valley/Tuolumne.
Also, if you were to choose Reno, you are closer to Yose, and of course a couple of hours to the Leap, and Donner Summit.
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HoseBeats
climber
San Diego
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Aug 27, 2006 - 06:26pm PT
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I get out of the Navy in about 3 months and haven't decided if I even want to get a job for a while. Maybe just travel and climb.
Yeah, travel and climb... I'm 24 so I have no qualms about dirtbagging it for a while.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Aug 27, 2006 - 07:10pm PT
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Great Thread,
We should have a super topo party in the coming years.
a super topo party
a super topo party
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Flag is probably number 1: has it all plus in striking distance of the greats.
2, Taos, but you need an in and it is a connoiseur thing to drape into...
3, Reno is actually workeable and well located.
4, Boulder, crowded-expensive, better for trad than sport, immediate options for everything except hard nailing.
5 I'd go Bay area before LA; because it is better living, but LA has better proximal routes, Both = $$$.
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Karen
Trad climber
Good question?
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Aug 27, 2006 - 08:34pm PT
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LA still sucks. Don't go to Long Beach, another So CA Souless city...
there is still smog...
it is too hot...
gangs proliferate 'cause LAPD really has their hands tied to take care of the gang problems...
It takes over three hours to get back from JT on a Sunday, Interstate 10 is a nightmare..
Getting out of town on a Friday, either you need to leave really early or very late, cause the steel conga line out of town goes for miles and miles....
Then once Williamson is reopened (most decent sport climbing near LA). Practically every route is gang top roped....
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bob d'antonio
climber
boulder, co
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Aug 27, 2006 - 08:59pm PT
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Jay...if you are ever in the Taos area...look me up. Great climbing, biking, fishing and diverse culture.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Aug 27, 2006 - 09:06pm PT
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Look for me when least expected...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2006 - 09:12pm PT
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Radical, are you insane???? Austin???
My family lives only 2.5 hours from there which is entirely too close!
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Mateo Pee Pee
Trad climber
Ivory Tower PDX
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Aug 28, 2006 - 02:12am PT
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Crimpie,
Sorry I am a little late jumping in here but being in academics myself I thought I might have some useful insights. Personally, if I could do it over again, I would make a serious effort to get a position in Canada or New Zealand. UBC or the University of Victoria would be awesome. Otherwise I my choices would places like Laramie, Missoula, Ellensburg WA, or LaGrande OR. The key is to decide what is most important to you. California and west coast cities in general have very high costs of living relative to faculty salaries. Personally I like smaller places where one can drive out of town and be climbing in 15 to 30 minutes. I have also considered consider Spearfish, SD (great location with the Tower, Needles, and not so far from the Big Horns and Winds)and some New England schools. Flagstaff and Reno are in great locations and are good schools (Reno is better funded) but the sprawl is a bit too depressing. Gotta love the climbing though!
Obviously none of this makes much of a difference if your professional goals are not in line with the "vision" of the college or university you are targeting. There's a big difference between say, CU and NAU although sometimes the "mid-major wantabes" have more unrealistic expectations than do the Tier I schools.
So, what is your delight? Sponsored research and lots of pubs? Undergraduate teaching? Mentoring gradual students (sometimes they make great climing partners although that can be a can of worms). Teaching one, two, three or 12 courses/academic year?
BTW, when one of my doctoral mentors at CU learned about my climbing history (he had been a ski racer he asked me what the hell I was doing in graduate school. Didn't I know any better? Apparently not, but I sure do now!
Best of luck!
KH
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 28, 2006 - 03:38am PT
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Crimpergirl..if you move to Flag definitely let us know. I live not too far south of there and am alwasy looking for peeps to go the Forks with.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 28, 2006 - 08:10am PT
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Crimpie, what do you do in academia?
As far as Europe and quarantines go…
I took my (late) dog from London to California to Ireland. No quarantine to go to California (when in London I called the state vet in Sacto and he said just get him rabies vaccinated within three days of landing), but going to Ireland it was a six-month quarantine, which in hindsight I wish I hadn’t done (Ci died 10-1/2 years young from a rare disease that is even rarer in cats but more common in adolescent girls of Polynesian heritage – sclerosing encapsulating peritonitis, weird uh?), but then he was like a son to me and I could visit him and run him in the kennels’ yards.
Since there hasn’t been rabies in Britain in Ireland for a long time, there are quarantines for mammals, though the new EU animal passport will make it much easier to bring a vaccinated mammal into Ireland and Britain. The only other countries that I know have rabies quarantines are New Zealand, Australia, Japan and the state of Hawaii, but of course birds don’t get rabies.
What with Avian Flu, I’d imagine that it would be difficult to bring birds into Europe, but I could be wrong.
I agree with Radical in that I’d head for someplace in northern Idaho or eastern Washington, you always have Spokane if you want a ‘big’ city nearby, and all the climbing in the Cascades and British Columbia. I like rain (most of the time – sunshine is good for rock climbing, drying clothes and walking dogs), but the Cascades act as rain ‘barrier’ so central and eastern Washington are much drier than say the Olympic peninsula and Puget Sound or western Oregon or northern California (Humboldt, Del Norte, Mendocino).
This is my advice to Chris/homegrown when he asked about places to live and climb in the States:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=241803#msg242386
Personally, if I could do it over again, I would make a serious effort to get a position in Canada or New Zealand.
I’d have to agree with that one Mateo Pee Pee. That’s what I am thinking on doing after I leave Ireland – except that my acting would suffer (it already does). Journalism is my meal ticket but I’d almost rather be a dirtbag climber and actor.
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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Aug 28, 2006 - 09:06am PT
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Karen, I'll fill you in on the Bay Area.
Maybe I'll go climbing with you, guys on next Monday.
I may go climbing with Woody this week. You should come, or you could email me.
You are the same Karen that I think you are?
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goatboy smellz
climber
bouldercolorado
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Aug 28, 2006 - 09:13am PT
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OK I'll let the secret out, if your looking to Floorahduh sell your rack, buy a surfboard and go here.
We will hook yah up with a job... eventually.
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Karen
Trad climber
Good question?
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Aug 28, 2006 - 12:28pm PT
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Blitzo, this is "Karen", I'll be out with all you guys next week. So yeah, I would love to talk with you about the Bay area.
Also, just got a new camera !!! super excited about it (8 megapic)...
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 28, 2006 - 12:39pm PT
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goatboy smellz: "We will hook yah up with a job... eventually."
Nice, scraping barnacles of boats?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 28, 2006 - 12:55pm PT
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What everyone is saying about Long Beach is true. There are two good things about LB, though:
Joe Jost's
A colony of Mexican Green Parrots
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2006 - 08:48pm PT
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Fattrad - true true. The cities listed are simply where the applications went to. You guys know those western areas better than I so I appreciate your information...
Several new postings today. One near Portland Oregon. That looks mighty nice too..
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Karen
Trad climber
Hell A
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Aug 29, 2006 - 01:02pm PT
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I got woke up this morning with a phone call letting me know I was hired at my dream location...MAMMOTH !!!! Yee Ha, the Eastisde....
I am super stoked, this is my dream come true...
female version of Norman Clyde is way happy today !!! Good-bye, Hell F'ing A....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 29, 2006 - 03:38pm PT
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OK Crimpie. Here is my official pitch for Flagstaff. I livein Prescott but I love flag, great town. There is a big college (Northern Arizona University) with 20,000+ students. The dowtown area is beautiful with several blocks square of brick and stone buildings, great shopping and fantastic restaraunts.
Not to mention the most kickass coffee shop on the planet, Macy's European Coffee House & Bakery:
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-reviews-2807214-prod-travelguide-action-read-ratings_and_reviews-i
The climbing is terrific with many options including:
The Paradise Forks: (My Favorite)
The Pit: (sport tugging)
Priest's Draw: (Bouldering)
As well as easy access to The Overlook (watered down version of the Forks but awesome), Sedona (adventure sandstone towers and some more great basalt cracks), Jack's (mega sport tugging with ratings designed to be very "ego-friendly") and more.
Its only a 4 hour drive to Vegas, 5 hours to Zion and 5 hours to Indian Creek. Durango is also about 5 hours away.
Airport access in Phoenix is about 2 hours away, and an easy drive on a divided interstate.
Flagstaff has 4 distinct seasons, with average summer highs of 80 and lows of 50. I'm not sure about the winter but the overall average winter temperature is 30. The great thing is that if you want to escape the cold its an easy, easy drive to lower elevations where t-shit climbing in the winter is plentiful.
Well there's my pitch. I'm sure your parakeets will love it.
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