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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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had to stop reading.
the statements beg multiple fallacies.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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If you think the world is 6000 years old you are most certainly obstructionist on multiple levels. If you can refute that rather than go look for communists under rocks then please do. Stay on topic meathead
Let me make something abundantly clear---I personally am an agnostic. I am neither a creationist nor am I an atheist.
I thought most people here are familiar enough with my posts to know this.
Bruce "Kay" probably knows this ---but he is either too dense, or he prefers to mischaracterize others as a matter of course.Probably a little bit of both, with slowness of wit being predominant.
Individuals with weak political and philosophical positions are always looking to shoot fish in barrels by constantly picking on people with religious beliefs. It makes them feel a whole lot smarter than they really are. They can hide behind the big bully of science just like the wormy types we knew as kids who picked fights and then got their bully to back them up.
Meanwhile , the way in which atheists and anti-religionists have conducted themselves when in charge of any given society has been just as deplorable as religionists. Perhaps even more so, certainly in modern times.
Witness the carnage in the 20th century that the Soviets ,Chinese Communists , and other totalitarian systems had unleashed upon their subject populations--- all in the name of the almighty state---states that explicitly outlawed religious practice and ruthlessly persecuted those that refused to think only the officially sanctioned thought ---which always ,at the least, pretended to be scientifically-based atheism ; backed up by jack-boots, torture chambers ,and Siberian concentration camps.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Werner nails it!
Evolution is creationism
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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I've done El Camino Real
Hey Dave, yep, on that side of Tahquitz the 2 must-do routes are Real and Open Book
---before anything else.
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WBraun
climber
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Witness Bruce Kay almighty here and his imitation god almighty authoritarian voice screeching in every thread how he "knows" .......
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Would you prefer i just go meekly away with my tail between my legs?
Ah ha! You have a tail! You are not a product of evolution. This proves that the world was created in order to make the sunset!!!!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Created without a brain.
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Josh Nash
Social climber
riverbank ca
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I don't understand the point in all of this. Insn't faith and science two wholly different things? Science, is provable in our natural world by observing cause and affect right? You use your observations to extrapolate a conclusion and develop a theory about things that cannot be directly tested right? Then, you write a paper and that gets reviewed and is either disproven or is taken as fact right? How can someone operating from a point of faith even debate someone of science?
It's not as if science is trying to disprove the existence of God.(I know some more militant facets are but not in a general sense.) Science, as far as I understand looks at the mechanics of our world and tries to explain it.
All that being said I believe in God. I believe In the teachings and working of God taught in the Bible. I don't try to debate my atheist friends because it's silly and pointless. They can stand on understanding and facts that I can't or should. I have my faith and my relationship. It keeps my life healthy; gives me a sense of peace in this crazy world. If I were to die and that's all it is I wouldn't regret any choices. I love my wife, love my kids, work hard, try to have an attitude of gratefulness. I try to make ethical decisions based on my faith. If people ask, I'll tell. Maybe it is grasping on to superstition and there really is no God. When I look at the universe and the beauty in the world around me in my heart of hearts I know there is and I smile and I pray a prayer of thankfulness and I move on. Thats faith to me. That's unprovable in the ways of science. I know that and accept that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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This thread got real uncomfortable...
I thought the Bill Nye debate was terribly frustrating. I think there are many reasonable Christians he could have debated about actually debatable topics - Lawrence Krauss does a good job finding credible opinions which to frame his counter-points. This was just... eh. A bit frustrating.
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