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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 5, 2006 - 12:20am PT
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Ed, I was thinking more of some of the knobby blobby boob-like stuff at sand rock in alabama, but I'm afraid those are all named.
Still there could be a squeeze job waiting, if only I could stand to go to sand rock, haha!
But back to the original topic, is Joe Garland going to apologize for sucker punching this guy or not?
I mean, putting a hurt on someone for offenses real or imagined is one thing, but shouldn't it be done on a level field?
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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this is getting good. i, kurt smith was not there. it was John Branaghan, sales amanger for Sterling and Joe Garland from Mad Rock. yes i work for sterling. surprised? i have job as rep in the SE. And yes i work for Montrail, as well as mountain hardwear, misty and a few others. who i work for is not the point.
the point is: bahsing went on for quite some time on this site from Joe- regarding Sterling..
At the show in Germany where the incedent occured JB called Joe out on said bashing...Joe did not like it and went with violence vs. talk or walk away.
as for me: who doesn't talk? i am passionate about climbing, and the values that go with it. i stick up for what i believe in. i am not afraid to confront the bull sh#t that goes with life and climbing...
i also rarely post.. i did it this time to stick up for a friend.
My last point: i do not nor would i use this media (or any public forum) to bash my competitors and their product. not only does it make you look like an idiot, it is just plain unprofessional...
keep talking, but also keep listening....
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Right on Kurt! I believe you're right on about the incident as well as your other points.
Now all that remains is for Joe to do the honorable thing, be a man and apologize to JB and perhaps to Sterling as well.
Edited to add:
Joe should also pay JB's medical expenses if there were any.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 5, 2006 - 01:11pm PT
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That IS a good question.
I think it is more a problem between Joe Garland and Sterling from what I have heard.
Could someone shed some light on this?
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jody,
Go over to RC.com and check out posts made by Joe under the user name madrock. Joe made several slanderous remarks against Sterling. It is true, Mad Rock and Sterling are not competitors, however, the nature of the posts leads me to believe Joe has/had an axe to grind, almost on a personal level.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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How many wrong turns does one have to make in life to end up as a sales rep for a company that sells climbing gear made by child labor in China?
Lets see some photos of you slave/sweat shops.
Anyone that makes a sucker punch is a punk.
Juan
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Ain't no flatlander
climber
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OK, so I killed some time and searched rc.com for madrock and sterling. Turns out he wasn't talking smack about their ropes at all. Just clearing up some of the unsubstantiated marketing hype that is all too common (not just from Sterling) about dry ropes -- Joe is pretty much right on in all his comments in that thread.
The weird thing is that those post were made last December so the sales manager had ample opportunity to talk to Joe at the Winter OR show. It does indeed sound like the Sterling guy got sloshed on German beer (not that Utah piss) and earned himself a shiner.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Hey, hey!
One of my favorite things is turning German beer into Utah piss.
Don't knock it.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Ed H,
You gotta go back through Ze's video archives. There is some seriously funny sh!t in there!
ANF, you didn't look close enough or read thoroughly enough, unless of course Joe has since edited his posts. I distinctly remember a post where he commented to someone something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing) 'buy any other brand but Sterling' and another comment that went like 'Sterling is no good, never was'. Later in that thread about dry ropes Joe singled Sterling out specifically. Now like I said, Joe may have gone back and edited those posts. Certainly Joe is entitled to his opinion but I have to believe he would not like it if someone from company xyz started maligning his products on the web, even if they were not his competitors.
So if the Sterling guy was sloshed as you say then why was it necessary for Joe to slug him, sucker punch no less? Seems to me if someone is drunk of their ass then that's all the more reason to ignore anything they say.
I have heard what I consider a reasonable account of what was said and in what context and there was nothing that warranted Joe's actions. I also know there were at least 3 witnesses 2 of whom gave Joe the bum's rush and tossed him on the street. Later when the cops came John didn't give Joe's name which probably saved Joe a night in the stalag.
I would like to know what Joe thought he heard John say in case I ever meet Joe. I just want to be clear on his rules of engagement so I know when to start looking out for a sucker punch.
In my book there is absolutely no reason to hit anyone unless they are about to hit me first or, and this is a BIG OR, they threaten my family. So unless Joe thought he was in imminent danger he showed a serious lack of class and restraint.
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Joe Garland
Ice climber
California
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Aug 16, 2006 - 02:35pm PT
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Hey Everybody,
John and myself had a conversation during the Salt Lake City trade show three days ago and came to the following agreement. The Beer in Germany is really strong and really good, Climbing is more fun than fighting, the climbing industry (and these websites)are full of rumors some true some false but never worth argueing or fighting over and his head is way stronger than my fractured hand (hard heads are a requirement for all sales managers in the climbing undustry ). John seems like a good guy, I can see why so many people spoke up for him on the site (Kurt may have gone a bit overboard but thats why they call him the little general). Glad to have spent some time with him and worked things out.
Joe Garland
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cjain
Mountain climber
Lake Forest, CA
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Aug 16, 2006 - 02:45pm PT
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Whatever happened in Germany, kudos for handling the aftermath honorably and settling it like gentlemen.
Edited to correct typos.
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mdavid
Big Wall climber
CA, CO, TX
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Aug 16, 2006 - 03:39pm PT
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some of you guys must live on the moon
if you talk crap to someone you might get hit, sometimes you may deserve it, sometimes you might not, so when you decide to talk crap to someone this is something you should consider.
most every time these situations are started by people who often talk crap and deserve exactly what they get. Physical confrontations have been used for centuries to settle matters, our governments certainly engage in wars to settle stalemates.
If you want to walk around life squaking like a weenie and not ever getting called on it then go to law school.....otherwise you're just on the way to an eventual beat down. If you're lucky it'll be a drunk buddy and not someone who actually trains and/or wants to hurt you.
He should've followed through with a leg kick and maybe elbows from the sounds of it.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2006 - 03:54pm PT
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So mdavid, how often have you spent the night in jail?
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mdavid
Big Wall climber
CA, CO, TX
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Aug 16, 2006 - 05:18pm PT
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no jail time here.
I supose you believe that you should be able to disrespect and say whatever you want to others without ramifications. Than call the police to bail you out when you get called on it.
I see that as weak and spineless.
I don't have respect for people who squak like that.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Aug 16, 2006 - 06:23pm PT
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mdavid, you're an idiot.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2006 - 01:57am PT
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Damn wootler, you beat me to it.
Resorting to brute force when words will do, especially in response to words, is pathetic. If one has such a bad temper that a few choice words can cause one to lose control, then one probably never got over junior high.
One is probably also considered a powder keg with a short fuse, if one has these tendencies.
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mdavid
Big Wall climber
CA, CO, TX
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Aug 17, 2006 - 12:33pm PT
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I had to expect the personnal attacks and never advocated having a short fuse. Neither of us know what was said or whether the punch was deserved.
We disagree that violence is never an acceptable response to words. I feel you can disrespect someone verbally and deserve the beating you may receive. It seems you feel that you should be able to say whatever you please to others and not get hit.
I hope it's obvious to point out and I'm sure you'll attack me for being sexist but men cannot behave this way with women. Women can say whatever they want and we just have to take it.
Seems like these guys handled it between themselves and had the sense to turn the cops away.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Aug 17, 2006 - 12:53pm PT
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sticks and stones..... (insert image of 10 year old with tongue out)
I do believe you can say what ever you want and should not get hit for it. Violence is the first resort of the ignorant or as I like to say 'those from the shallow end of the gene pool'. But if you even breath on anyone in my family I will kill your entire family before your very eyes after I hack your arms and legs off. Words are just words and if you believe violence is a reasonable response to words you will reap what you sow.
BTW, I do know what was said and it did not warrant any violence by any measure, even yours I would hope. There was no 'disrespectful' verbal exchange.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 17, 2006 - 04:28pm PT
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Can't help but wonder why mdavid had to move from CA to CO to TX.. .. .?
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