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perswig
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This question is coming up for referendum (again) here in Maine this year.
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/08/07/politics/groups-join-in-effort-for-new-maine-bear-hunting-referendum/
http://savemainesbearhunt.com/
http://www.sportsmansallianceofmaine.org/bearref.html
Unfortunately, the debate often devolves into all-or-nothing polarity, claims of nonresident political funding, and anecdotal negative bear/human encounter tales. On an individual basis, I get the feeling non-bear hunters (and maybe Wardens?) here generally feel sheepish about the methods but very cognizant of the employment and financial aspects of the Maine bear hunt as it applies to the economically-challenged northern parts of our state. That being said, I'm wondering whether, like the deer herd, bear populations might be moving south into the more urban part of the state, which could substantially change the equation.
Bear fat makes really good pie crust.
Anyone read Zane Grey's essays "Roping Lions in the Grand Canyon" and "Don, the Story of a Lion Dog"? (I'm betting Piton Ron has...).
Dale
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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NEWS FLASH!!! Humans no longer depend on hunting/gathering for sustenance. That said...sustainable hunting for meat is far more acceptable than trophy hunting. Trophy hunting, especially for non-edible apex predators, is reprehensible.
edit: WOW.....that leopard must weigh nearly 35 pounds!
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Brave cowboy- Bear baiting is legal in many states.
being pure, what does that mean? If you want to legally kill a bear?
If you are simply against bear hunting just state that. The end of any successful lawfully conducted hunt is a dead critter. So why does the method seem so important to you?
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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How do you anti-hunting carnivores like your high-density feedlot raised cheeseburgers? I wish I had a meat tree growing in my backyard
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Dingus- you have shown all your cards with the last statement on Hogs. If you are simply anti hunting just say it.
Or maybe you are just ignorant?
PS- Dingus, I hunt Poachers all day long and all night
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Q-Ball, I was addressing Ron A, and he chose to ignore my response to his suggestion that hunting is the one true pure path to meat. Thanks for your response but I was really curious as to where Ron was going there.
EDIT: Ss Conglom, dood, the cows I eat grew up in a field across the street from where they are processed. I know more about the meat that I eat than you do about the animals you kill.
Ron said:Baggin on hunters is like baggin on the free solo climbers.
Hunting in the ONLY honest meat procurement on this planet. It is the ULTIMATE and honest way actually. Much like the free solo.
Many cant or wont do either of those by choice or by the lack of skills.
To which I replied: Ron, are you really bagging on the farmer down the way that grows my good grassfed beef and buffalo as dishonest?
And on what level is bear-baiting pure?
I think that the comparison with the free solo is tenuous as well. Hands on rock only for progression should equate to hands on flesh/primitive weapon for killing. Do you hunt with an atlatl? Do you hunt with a hand-made blade? Or do you hunt with a chemically propelled metallic slug mined in China?
You are an aid climber calling yourself a soloist.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Brave cowboy- No worries!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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People here are simply expressing their feelings about what TYPE of hunting becomes unacceptable for them. Face it, if you eat meat or wear leather, something died.
How did it die? THAT is what you,re arguing about. WHY did it die. I guess those two questions matter.
If you,re al going to sit around and pretend it,s more admirable to raise a cow for the purpose of slaughter than it is to chase a bear with dogs and then eat it, then you can kiss my ass.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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I think that I can also thank the folks that cut out huge numbers of apex predators for all of those f*#king deer in the road when I drive to Gunnison.
And Ron, I'm not the one claiming a free solo ascent here, I admit that I aid the sh#t out of my meat intake. I'm fine with it. I'm not the faker here.
EDIT: If you folks cleaned up all of the offal and rib meat mess out there then you would not have the 'coyote problem' to such a massive extent as you often perceive it to be.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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oh, and for a nice level playing field i suggest you go strangle your next burger with your bare hands. maybe post up a video here for us, yeah?
lol
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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^aid-hunter^ poseur as soloist.
do it like this guy and then I will agree that you are the purist you present yourself to be, Ron.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1023312/posts
^couldn't find that story out of the hunting mag from years ago about the 65 year old man killing a Kodiak bear with a 3 1/2 inch blade hand to hand. the clincher was that he knew (guessed?) that most bears are right-side dominant in the tooth-and-nail fight.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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im going climbing too, then having elk for dinner.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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I am having deer and a few doves for dinner. Anyone have favorite recipes?
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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hawhawhaw, when your piece outweighs your prey, you know that you are a man.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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butterfly a deer tenderloin and fry in butter until lightly browned. You'll never want to eat venison any other way after that. Cream of mushroom soup over steaks then put in a crockpot on low is also the way to go. I butcher my own, so i can cut them up anyway i choose.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Enjoy your low calorie elk burgers! I know you didn't shoot your elk out of a tree.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Like I said earlier, I don't consider treeing an animal hunting, because the dog is doing the hunting. It is legal in many states and there's nothing wrong with following hunting regs. Just not the way I would do it.
I always love the use a knife statement, how is fighting a bear with a knife a fair fight? Also, guns are almost always viewed as cheating by anti-hunters. Well this last spring I shot a turkey with an arrow, was on a hill and it flew off down the hill and proceeded to die slowly. It took us about 40 minutes to find it and end it's misery. My brother used a shotgun and killed his instantly. Sure his was a lot easier, but which was more humane?
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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this just in: the disconnect between those that hunt and those that don't is a vast gulf, hence fighting a bear with a knife, or the humaneness of a well placed bullet vs. a poorly placed arrow.
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