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Chaz
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greater Boss Angeles area
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I say we take all the horses at Santa Anita out to where Anderson lives, and turn them loose there. They should fit right in.
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crankster
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South Lake Tahoe, CA
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You're right, Karen. Don't get into a debate with Rong.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Agreed, fish are people, too. But cetaceans are a lot more like people - we're just not smart enough
to be able to communicate with them. Ron, how would you like being imprisoned and 'coerced'
into performing because it relieves your boredom and frustration over your captors' inability to
communicate with you?
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Oh... so rong is now in here polluting this thread? LOL...
Karen... if by chance you use Firefox to browse this site I suggest you install the grease monkey script. You can "grease" people and never have to read their stupid and inane idiotic crap again. Rong was the first one to go for me.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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I'm voicing my viewpoint locker...
Back on topic... One of the major issues those of us fighting for the cetaceans are witnessing is what the industry is doing to capture these animals - dolphins in particular (though Orcas are dolphins I'm not referring to them). The Cove uncovers the story of how these marine parks are capturing and killing dolphins to support their industry. It's a sickening event and must stop. The dolphins that are captured in Taiji are taken for amusement parks. The rest are slaughtered and their meat sold. Most of the time the meat is mislabeled on purpose as whale meat. Dolphin meat has toxic levels of mercury and should not be eaten. Anyone that thinks otherwise is probably already almost brain dead from mercury poisoning.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
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This is part of an interview with the director Gabriela Cowperthwaite of the movie Blackkfish.
Jonathon Sharp: Have you ever been to SeaWorld as a visitor?
Gabriela Cowperthwaite: I did. I actually took my kids to SeaWorld, and took my nephew to SeaWorld-San Diego also. Went to SeaWorld as a kid. So I have been several times before I made the documentary.
JS: So you have a rounded history as a SeaWorld consumer, in a way.
GC: Yeah. When I started the documentary I thought I was making a documentary about a trainer incident, essentially like a one-off…And it was only when I sort of peeled back the ending that I realized this is a much larger story…
I went in with a question: How did a top trainer get killed by a killer whale? Like, a beloved killer whale. Then I found out that he killed twice before. So I started looking at those cases.
I’m curious how you view SeaWorld now. Do you not like the company, or do you not like their practices? Can you expand on that for me?
GC: I just told the story. I just told the facts. I come out of that experience, having made the film over two years, feeling very strongly that killer whales are not suitable for captivity. That, you know, this is still a really lucrative business model for SeaWorld. You know, it’s a $2.7 billion a year company. And they’ve had no reason to have their business model ever challenged.
I’m hopeful, actually, that this whole thing raises a debate, raises a bunch of questions in people’s heads, and that SeaWorld is…um…I think they’re fully equipped — they’re certainly financially equipped — to [bring killer whales] into rehabilitation and release facilities: sea pen facilities whereby you cordon off part of the ocean cove with a net and release the whales into that.
People think: Why can’y you just release them into the wild ocean? You can’t. [The whales] don’t know how to eat live fish yet. They are hopped up on antibiotics, and they probably wouldn’t last very long. But if you do it in a controlled ocean pen, they have the ability to roam, meet other killer whales for the first time in their lives. And I think SeaWorld could profit from that. I think people would come and actually enjoy seeing the real thing, you know, real killer whales doing what killer whales do.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
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SeaWorld is a 2.7 billion dollar company!!!!
They don't want to change their business model but they need to.
Only we can stop them!
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
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Great links Nature!
Here is another interesting part of the interview with the director of Blackfish.
JS: What’s the most surprising thing you learned doing this report?
GC: I think the first most surprising thing I learned was how whales fight with each other in captivity, consistently. I guess, I always hoped…that they were in these, like, family pods. That they had each other…To learn that they actually fight constantly — because, you know, animals like this are always vying for hierarchy, right? And once they sort of establish a hierarchy like in the wild, the submissive animal can kind of flee the scene, and say, ‘Touché, you win’…But in captivity, they are faced with that conflict every day, because of the small confines. So they have to kind of be faced with conflict. And these are whales [that the submissive whales] don’t necessarily get along with or even understand. They don’t speak the same languages and share the same sort of genetic pool. So these are unnatural pods of families. And that was just particularly disheartening for me.
I guess I wanted it to be that these were happy animals. You know, [being in captivity] is not the greatest of situations but they ultimately have each other. And to think they don’t seems particularly sad.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"SeaWorld is a 2.7 billion dollar company!!!!"
That means a lot of people's livelihoods depend on these whales.
A relative few whales in captivity seems like a small price, for all the economic activity generated.
Every so often, the Indians up around Forks (WA) will chase a whale down, and blow its brains out with a .50 BMG. What do we get for that? Besides a bunch of Indians feeling good about themselves?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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more bullshit from the idiot. Though I suppose there are also these people that would be put out of work if the capture and feeding of this entertainment system were to stop.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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What they need is a new business model!
Captivity is wrong for whales and dolphins.
Maybe they need new rides at SeaWorld.
It is an amusement park after all.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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1.1 Billion people of this world depend on the oceans for their source of protein.
Dolphins are not food.
Actually Karen, that's what many of us are arguing for. A new business model. Perhaps they should go 503.c instead of making millions and millions of dollars off of captive slaves.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mahi-Mahi dood ;)
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
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Most companies need to go though significant changes to survive.
Get rid of outdated ideas and get new progressive ones in their place.
The whales and dolphins in captivity need to be released in controlled ocean pens, where they have the ability to roam, meet other killer whales for the first time in their lives.
I think SeaWorld could profit from that. I think people would come and actually enjoy seeing the real thing, you know, real killer whales doing what killer whales do.
They could rehabilitate other injured sea animals and release them back into the wild.
Maybe they could make a ride about being a whale swimming around in a cart that looks like a whale
Could these ideas be part of the new business model?
Don't worry guys the CEO's will still make their millions and there will be still plenty of minimum wage jobs for everyone else.
Yippie!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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locker... thanks for that first video.
sincerely,
your Son
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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still watching the first one.
Edit: I just watched it. Tilly just did laps and a GFYS style. No surprise there were no trainers in the water with him. At that point he had killed three people.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
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In the news today in a Seattle post
Watching this parade on New Years Day has been a family tradition of mine, and this year HGTV showed the parade commercial-free. It was the best coverage I have watched in years, they paid attention to everything including all the horses (which the networks tend to gloss over in their coverage). As always, the floats are works of art covered entirely in natural materials – roses, seeds, seaweed etc.
While many people expected protesters for the more controversial floats, SeaWorld was the only one to bring the cloud of police protection into the otherwise sunny day. What were they thinking?
They should have stayed home or accepted that people would object to their presence. Some people may think that SeaWorld should have the right have a float, but when does the right of a mega corporation trump human sensitivity?
This is so frightening to the management at SeaWorld not because they fear what the protesters will do, but instead what the protesters represent; that the public will no longer tolerate corporate greed at the expense of animal welfare. And they keep reacting badly, stuck in the business model from 50 years ago as they celebrate their 50th year.
A half a century is plenty of time to have gotten it right.
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