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Rudder
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Costa Mesa, CA
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Nov 21, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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Gerald Posner, who wrote the book "Case Closed" in 2003
I read that book in like 93' or 94'.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 21, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
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You're right--I missed a decade somewhere. 1993 it was.
Curt
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Nov 21, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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autopsy
manipulated or bungled or sloppy or just not up to standards of a decade later?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 21, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
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Curt lacks that. Notice how he claims these theories were proven false without actually providing any kind of specifics. Just "they were wrong".
No. I'm claiming that there are several scholarly books out there that have disproven the various conspiracy theories. I have even cited them for you, in spite of the fact you're apparently not interested in reading them. I have also provided some specifics related to acoustic evidence and Oswald's marksmanship, had you bother to notice.
Curt
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Nov 21, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
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Endless conspiratorial speculation has surrounded the JFK assassination. Much of it is driven by a lack of willingness to accept what we do know about the assassin, namely , that he was a sociopath who was particularly susceptible to virulent anti-American hatred and Marxist/communist propaganda of the period.
And that is part of what we know about Lee Harvey Oswald.
From a purely ideological standpoint, were Oswald alive today ,there is no question, based upon what we know about him, that he would get along quite well with many of the posters on this forum.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 21, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
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Bugliosi did a pretty good job putting Charles Manson behind bars as the prosecutor. He takes every wacko conspiracy and debunks them in a precise manner. Yes, he calls the kooks out, so what? Just because a book reviewer thought he was tough on conspiracy theorists doesn't discount the research. I know, it's easier to believe the fairy tales.
People seem to think that since there SO many conspiracy theories, one of them MUST be true, even though all of them are disconnected. Don't like the Umbrella Man...how about the Secret Service rifle? No? How about the Mob....er, maybe the lady in the hat with the camera?.......
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 21, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
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The Sultan has a pretty good analysis.
The conspiracy theorist has faith that life has meaning. It is a secular sort of faith and its faith object is not divine, but malignant. The meaning of life is malicious. It operates the way it does because evil people behind the scenes refuse to allow for any coincidences or random chance. No sparrow shall fall because a dozen secret agencies are always monitoring it from space.
It is a faith not in good, but in evil.
The left cannot make history come out the way that it wants to, but it can always lie about it. Its myths of the past, dreams shattered by vast right-wing conspiracies, swallowed up by the greed of the 80s and 00s, are tawdry attempts at refusing to learn the lessons of history so that it will be given the freedom to repeat its terrible mistakes.
Lee Harvey Oswald was the stepchild of the left's destructive ideas on society. The same madness that led to Guyana and the bombing of the Pentagon had its day fifty years ago in Dallas.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-conspiracy-theory-is-conspiracy.html
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 21, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Randisi, thank you. It is little known that JFK had Booby writing up a
proposed law that would have legalized philandering if yer a blueblood.
And he most certainly sent us down the Nam rabbit hole; he was a big believer
in the Domino Theory. Besides, he felt right at home with the morally
corrupt thugs that ran S Viet Nam.
Oh, and as far as the marksmanship involved goes the kill shot was from a
hair over 80 yards. Carlos Hathcock could have made that shot firing the
gun backwards over his shoulder with a mirror. Hell, Ray Charles coulda
made it from 80 yards.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Nov 21, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
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One passed through his flesh, intact. The other through his skull.
There is a theory that one of the bullets might have come from one of the cars behind where Secret Service was riding Not very likely given the positions (different) of JFK's body when each bullet struck.
When he slumped over from the first bullet, his head was right in line from the repository window. Certainly not in line with anything from behind at the same elevation.
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hossjulia
climber
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Nov 21, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
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I was three. One of my first memories. My Mom was watching the parade live on TV and fell to her knees holding her apron to her face sobbing, "They shot the President, they shot the President!" Scared me and I started bawling too.
Vivid.
I look back and wonder at her use of "they".
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 21, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
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"Jack came a lot."--Marilyn
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Nov 21, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
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The photo below, authenticated by mainstream media photo experts as "fake but accurate", proves conclusively that peaceful Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy for the real killer, the right wing climate of hate engendered by people such as Sarah Palin.
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 21, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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I haven't read all this thread, but there was a Frontline episode on last week that used modern forensics to look at the single bullet theory. Turns out the Warren Commission was correct and the single bullet theory was correct.
What the hell Jack Ruby shot Oswald for is where it gets weird.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 21, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
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Yeah that's a bit odd but I think it's pretty simple actually
I'm think Jack Reubenstein was very angry.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 21, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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Is there anyway to tie in this JFK conspiracy to the 911 conspiracy and the fake moon landing conspiracy...
Seems like that could be entertaining.
I mean any groups capable of such shenanigans would almost have to be related or perhaps even the same group..
I nominate
S.P.E.C.T.R.E
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 21, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
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Lone whacko!
Hi pat!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 21, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
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Your worldview requires an unbelievable number of sequential low probability events to make it all add up consistently. On the other hand, people who think Kennedy's assassination was a conspiracy and believe our government perpetrated 911 have a nice consistent narrative that makes sense and is free of all the crazy outlandish explanations, requiring only high probability events to make it all add up.
OK, let's do this. You tell me which Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory is correct--they can't all be correct. Was Kennedy killed by the CIA, FBI, Cubans, Mafia, LBJ, etc. Once you tell me which conspiracy you believe to be correct, I'll then attempt to explain why that isn't so. Fair enough?
Oh, and if you don't believe the NIST study on 911, there probably isn't much hope for you.
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 21, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
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I guess I'm the only one who sees the Kennedy/911 link as obvious.
OK, truce. I want some of what you're smoking.
Curt
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