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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 14, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
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Hahahaha, try waiting till something happens that requires medical attention, then sign up.
Nobody will insure you for at least a few weeks, usually a month. By then, you're wiped out.
Again, try consulting with what little brains and common sense you have - THEN post.
Hey Hedge5.2, I am not telling you what I am doing, I am describing what occurs daily in Mass.
Yep Obama had no clue that polices were going to be canceled. You Sir are a dumbass if you believe that.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 14, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
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Just wait Hedge until Obamcare hits your Kaiser plan.
Have fun old man. Better hope mental health care is fully covered. Heck after you pay the $6k deductible with stays in the psych ward, you can get all the "free" lithium you need.
People like you exactly why our country is F'd up. Cheer and follow those sheep right over the cliff.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Nov 15, 2013 - 12:06am PT
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Can someone find, in the billiion posts on health care threads, one comment from a Canadian or European denouncing their system and asserting ours is superior?
Also, those systems are hardly free; the citizens pay for them. Sure, some people don't work and get health care anyway, but the same is true here.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2013 - 01:30am PT
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Twisted Crank, my thoughts exactly.
So why don't Americans just start being healthy? It's a lot cheaper.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 15, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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Jim Brennan, I just got a uke this summer. Food music for the soul. :)
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Nov 15, 2013 - 01:46am PT
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Are you happy Donini?
Did you actually think something different would happen?
You do such a great job with climbing content, too bad this turd can't be flushed down.
I can hear you snickering from here:-)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 15, 2013 - 02:25am PT
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But i do agree BEFORE A DIME is given to any foreign country,, our health care system should be fixed first.
Wow, Rong! didn't know you Repugs were so anti-Israel!
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Nov 15, 2013 - 02:31am PT
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I'm an American, but I've been living in Spain for more than 20 years. Here, health care is public, but certainly not free - we pay substantial taxes. However, the system is certainly better overall, and much cheaper than what's in the U.S. In the U.S., the providers and insurance companies have ordinary people against the wall, squeezing out the last dollar. Here, the government takes a reasonable amount, proportional to your income, and then the rest of the year you use whatever health care you need. There are issues related to people using the system to excess, but they're pretty minor compared to people going bankrupt due to bad luck or an accident, as happens in the U.S. It seems to me that having some politicians with enough spine to take on this issue is a good thing. It won't get solved quickly, but a start is a start.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 15, 2013 - 03:04am PT
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You thought , like millions of Americans, that Obamacare would result in someone else paying for your health care.
No. I did not.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 15, 2013 - 05:45am PT
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Absolutely NO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!
The American way is selfishness and every man for himself.
If you want to get hit by an uninsured driver and go bankrupt with medical bills - that's your right and you are free to do so. I'm talking about freedom, man.
Do not ask me to finance your American dream, pal. Go to hell. This is my American dream. You can pry my freedom from my cold, homeless, bankrupt, dead fingers.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 15, 2013 - 07:17am PT
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"The American way is Selfishness",Well said SLR.[a doctor by the way]
This thread proves that.
It is ok that socialism exists in other areas of our government,say energy,agriculture,but those benefit people that have strong lobbies to protect their interest.So that is OK.
Selfish,only concerned of their selves.
What ,only 200 thousand people have signed up so far,We cannot afford to handle that?Really.
They need all they have ,to build Victory Lodges.
Mr.Donini is absolutely correct.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Nov 15, 2013 - 08:54am PT
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Fritz has it right. The US spends about 18% of GDP on healthcare - more than any other nation. Countries with socialized healthcare spend about 9% GDP. We are already paying too much and getting too little. The bloated cost of healthcare is sucking the life out of our economy.
Obamacare may be broken but at least it was an attempt to do something.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 15, 2013 - 09:22am PT
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Healthcare would be a breeze if there weren't an 800 Billion pound gorilla in the room, called the sacred military industrial complex.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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The Michael Moore documentary "SICKO" addresses this problem quite well.
Except for the fact that hypocritical SOB is a walking billboard for obesity, diabetes, heart disease and countless other conditions.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:39am PT
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Cool company trip and everything. Not exactly sure how your experience working for an inefficient government contractor is relevant to Obamacare but it is a nice pic:-)
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:43am PT
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You should go back to work for them
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:50am PT
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But we can't afford healthcare
Has this always been the case or just something that has manifested in the past 10, 20, 30 or even 50 years?
I could afford healthcare in 2013. Not so sure I can in 2014.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:52am PT
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Ward, you aren't Shack's Insurance agent by any chance?
Obamacare is not an attempt to provide affordable health care to the American people , it is a project by the radical left to gain control of 1/6 of the American economy and to expand the control of the Federal government over the lives of individual Americans.
as opposed to controlling 53% percent of the economy via Defense. Pure Evil.
Obama and his extremist supporters want nothing less that total control of health care access in the US.. A single-payer system is what they are incrementally striving towards, in which the federal government , run by themselves of course, will be in complete control of people's health needs and services.
Bring it on. I'll give your sorry asses a ride to the ER any time.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:52am PT
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Right on Kos.....
Oh, (not to Kos) and please don't slander my best friend unless you know him as well as I do. lynnie
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Nov 15, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Oh, (not to Kos) and please don't slander my best friend unless you know him as well as I do. lynnie
Who are speaking to with this request?
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