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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Ok class, American History 101...remember it?
The Civil War was about the states rights to self determination, in effect to secede from the union and go it alone. Slavery didn't become the motivating issue until 1862 when Lincoln emancipated the slaves IN THE REBELLIOUS STATES only. He did so in order to cripple the rebels war efforts.
As for the swaztika...aka the running wheel, stolen from the Hindus where it's a symbol of good luck or auspiciousness.
You probably don't want to go to prison for assault without having your facts straight eh?
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Club
climber
Birmingham
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I'm going to have to say I don't believe you. Brothers don't say "buddy".
OK look Boy. I tried being polite with you. You came into this swinging. Why don't you come down to Kolivar district and check out my pigment.
MC
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Psilocyborg
climber
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This thread just got even wierder. Burchy, if you think you are above all the other stupid people out there, think again
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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America has mostly moved beyond "overt" racisim. Unfortunately, the insidious racisim we now see will be very difficult to stamp out.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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"Bros dont say Buddy"
Strange, my daughters black coach calls me buddy all the time.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Historiography is a funny thing. Spin is always baked in. And the winners write the history...
Personally I've always been suspicious of mainline historical explanations for this reason. And in the 70s, when I was studying history various revisionist interpretations of the civil war were floating around. The marxist 'its all about economic domination dummy' line seemed plausible enough but I never really looked into much. But just now I found this website. At least on first blush it seems to disprove the economic interpretation... and support the slavery interpretation. Of course the real world is complicated....
http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=92
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Are you a drama queen in real life? "
Pot - Kettle - Black
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Epic.
Ron F*#king Anderson chimes in on something,
Bow down to his knowledge.
He knows more about everything than everyone else.
Seriously, bow down. Ron wants to be king of ST.
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okie
Trad climber
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This California yuppie is really worked up over that flag, huh? Wonder how much his boss pays him to go off ranting on the Taco.
He's off climbing now with his skinny cord and rack o' draws so the bloody fight for righteousness will have to wait until he's back on the clock after the weekend of playing.
Southern Man didn't need that carpetbagger Neil Young around...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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some of those Black Folk i hung with ALSO has confederate flags.
Yeah, I bet they has.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Trollin' is easy anymore here on the Taco. With all that medicine floating around , you'd think things would be a lot mellower, especially among(st) humpers of rock
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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I wonder if the Johnny Reb soldier even thought about that kind of sh#t when he was blasting away at his cousin from 4 counties north of the farm. Ass end of a mule, butt end of a rifle.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Earlier in the month, I spent a day at Antietam. Truly a spiritual place. The cornfield, the bridge, the sunken road...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron retorted And heres a real mind blower for you,, some of those Black Folk i hung with ALSO has confederate flags. Yaaahhh wrap yur head round that one!
Ugh, this thread Just.....ugh.
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Gene
climber
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I’m going way OT here for your Eastside history lesson.
During the Civil War, Lone Pine was a Confederate community. Independence was Yankee. Back then, the CSA Alabama, a Confederate raider, was reeking havoc on Yankee shipping. The good folks of Lone Pine named that hilly movie set east of town after the CSA Alabama.
In June 1864, a Yankee ship defeated the Alabama outside Cherbourg. That scurvy-ridden Union boat was the Kearsarge. Hence today you will find outside of Independence Kearsarge Pass, Kearsarge Peak, Kearsarge Lakes, Kearsarge Pinnacles, etc.
Bet you didn't know that. Carry on.
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ddsstyle
Sport climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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"During the Civil War, Lone Pine was a Confederate community. Independence was Yankee. Back then, the CSA Alabama, a Confederate raider, was reeking havoc on Yankee shipping. The good folks of Lone Pine named that hilly movie set east of town after the CSA Alabama.
In June 1864, a Yankee ship defeated the Alabama outside Cherbourg. That scurvy-ridden Union boat was the Kearsarge...."
sources? not that i dont believe you, I just want to read more
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Burchey...Or you could join Chiefy down in Chalabama where football's still the roughest sport around...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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DDS style...supposedly the mason dixon line if extended , separated Lone Pine and Independence or as a friend calls it , co-dependence...
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