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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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The feature article of Scientific America this month, King of Beasts sheds some light on the meat issue? Many of Homo Sapiens evolved traits (longevity and large brains) are attributed to meat eating and diverging from the vegetarian diets of ancestral cousins.
Muscle building is far easier with meat eating since carnotine a necessary ingredient exists in plants at about 1% of what it does in red meat.
Yes Werner, all our ancestors behaved like stupid Americans, and they evolved with genes better suited for eating cooked food & MEAT.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Solution: STOP BREEDING.
word^^^
Anyhow, I'm an omnivore working for a vegetarian market so I get both sides. Fake meats can actually be pretty tasty. ex:Our restaurant makes a vegan-Rueben that tastes better than any meat Ruben I've ever had. But... reality is that for a lot of us, our genetics demand animal protein to function. I shell out the dough for organic/grassfed/free range and avoid the icky mass-market meat.
Side rant: Raising cattle in the western United States is completely wasteful. Stolen water is sold to subsidized farmers to grow crops in the desert...to feed huge cows... in the desert, wasting even more stolen water. It's complete insanity. It boggles the mind. Chickens and pigs waste less resources. I've read that rabbits actually give you the most yield for the least amount of feed/water/investment per animal.
EAT BUNNY!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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For example, a single pound of cooked beef, a family meal’s worth of hamburgers, requires 298 square feet of land, 27 pounds of feed, and 211 gallons of water.
I was wondering if there could be some significant gains if the meat (isn't meat just dead flesh?) was not cooked?
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Deekaid
climber
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Okay , Just saying cutting down on meat or eating fake meat could just save the planet!
The planet will be fine, we will be gone.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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meat is tasy. I can't imagine not getting truck tacos or Basque when in the Bakes. Larb is my favorite Thai.
I did cut my meat to only Fridays and lost roughly 20lbs in the process. I did it to feel better and after seeing cattle allotments(in the Sierras, AZ, UT, MT, ID) and learning more about them via the NEPA, I want(ed) nothing or very little to do with them. To each their own. This works well when humility can be brought into each's own!!
Chickpeas are a complete protein.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Only if toasted over a dung fire. Where is the best dung?
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Nice to see you can be so picky about what you eat. A large portion of the rest of the world does not have that privelege.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Cragar,
the measure of "a complete protein" is a necessary condition to good nutrition but the measure falls short in that we need the nine essential aminos in ratios different than what plants make their protein ratios.
Furthermore, the the assumption that all is well if get these aminos within 24 hours all is well is simply an uninformed belief. When an essential amino is not to be found that metabolic process is put on hold. Under such scarcities recovery is slower than if we had all nine amino at hand in quantities we need.
But you can still produce dopamine so you can get a good feeling with your ideas even with these typical amino shortages but you will not be pulling as hard as soon.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Hey Dingus-
Yeah, they are low in a couple aminos so the ratio makes them not complete? I'll have to look that up. Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to say that they are the only. I eat hella nuts, legumes, veggies and yogurt to get my needs. There are ways to get protein instead of meat, that is what I meant. Again, to each their own. No preaching from me!! I like ~experience~! Plus, it is hunting season so I'll be getting elk and speedgoat here shortly. I don't get your last sentence. Maybe it was a sophmoric cut?
Happy Jack got any snow?
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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khanom-
You must be talking about the pink tofu elephant in the room.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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For example, a single pound of cooked beef, a family meal’s worth of hamburgers, requires 298 square feet of land, 27 pounds of feed, and 211 gallons of water.
Supplying meat not only devours resources but also creates waste. That same pound of hamburger requires more than 4,000 Btus of fossil-fuel energy to get to the dinner table;
This is an interesting topic to me.
One reason is that the numbers don't seem to add up. Let's summarize:
Why does the cost of:
298 square feet of land
27 pounds of feed
211 gallons of water
4,000 BTU's of energy
Not equal the cost of 1 lb of hamburger?
I mean, if that is actually the cost, then the commercial price of the hamburger should be at least double, accounting for profit at every level.
(the land I get, but not the consumables)
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TheTye
Trad climber
Sacramento CA
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Cheap due to heavy ag subsidies maybe?
Anyhow. The trick is to eat less meat. And try and choose sustainable raised options. "Yea but not everybody can afford to do that... " well if you aren't making meat the centerpeice of every meal then you can...
It's better for your body and a good way to vote with your fork to not support awful farming practices.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Forget meat, the future is cricket:
http://chapul.com/
I've had them, they are no worse than most other protein/energy bars I've had.
I'd be all for genetic engineering that could make crickets taste like steak or bacon.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Cragar,
we got snow in Laramie, 5 or 6 inches, so did Happy Jack, while skiing is possible I don't known whether the skating track has been groomed.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Right now have a nice pork loin roast in my slow cooker and boy does it smell yummy, can't wait for dinner tonight:-)
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plasticluvr
Gym climber
ft lauderdale fl
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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I agree it is not so much about the meat as it is about cruelty to animals.
If you buy free range animals that have not been mistreated then you can eat meat with a clear conscious.
I also agree, why not try to eat mostly organic veggies? You can get all the protein you need from plants.
Things like this should not go on!!!
Speak Out Against Walmart's Cruelty to Pigs
Petition by
MERCY FOR ANIMALS
Do you think it’s acceptable to cram an animal into a crate so small she can’t even turn around, lie down comfortably, walk, run, play, or engage in other basic behaviors? Walmart does.
In fact, the pork sold at Walmart comes from factory farms where pregnant pigs spend nearly their entire lives locked in narrow, metal gestation crates—cages barely larger than their own bodies.
How do I know? Because I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I am an investigator with Mercy For Animals, and for more than two months I worked undercover at Christensen Farms, a factory farm that supplies pork to Walmart. The misery and abuse that I witnessed at this factory farm will haunt me for the rest of my life.
Thousands of pregnant pigs were confined to barren metal crates barely larger than their own bodies. These pigs could not turn around. They could not walk. They could not even lie down comfortably. I saw pigs with open wounds and bloody pressure sores from rubbing against the bars of their metal cages or lying on hard concrete. Pigs would constantly ram their heads against their tiny stalls or spend day after day, hour after hour, biting the bars of their cages out of frustration. These intelligent and social animals would go insane from boredom and stress.
While all of the abuses I witnessed at Christensen Farms were horrific, the use of gestation crates for pregnant pigs is perhaps the cruelest factory farming practice in the world. In fact, gestation crates are so cruel they have been banned in nine US states, as well as in the entire European Union.
Recognizing their inherent cruelty, major food providers, including McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, and Chipotle, and major grocery retailers, including Safeway, Kroger, Kmart, Costco and Whole Foods, have all started demanding their suppliers do away with these cruel crates. But Walmart continue to support blatant animal abuse by selling pork from suppliers who confine pigs in tiny crates.
I am asking that you help the pigs whose suffering I witnessed, as well as the millions of others across the nation who are subjected to similar abuses. Please take a moment to sign my petition urging Walmart to do the right thing and demand their pork suppliers stop confining pigs in cruel gestation crates.
Thank you.
“John”
Undercover Investigator
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TGT
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So Cal
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