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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 21, 2006 - 04:24pm PT
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Hey Jody, have you ever used the trick of cuffing spokes to a fork to immobilize ("boot") a motorcycle.
I did that once to a dirt biker who was trespassing on my land while I called the sheriff. His bike had no kickstand and he didnt want to dump it given the terrain at that location so he just stood there holding it up and screaming at me. Wish I had a video camera back then.
Sheriff thought it was pretty slick.
Later same schmuck got caught tearing down my neighbor's no trespassing sign.
I like dirt biking but those kinds of idiots have really turned me off to it. I see how they needlessly tear things up, and then adding insult to injury they leave trash.
Seems to me that it is a worse problem than (apparently easily citable) noisy street bikes on legitimate roadways.
Perhaps if enough people took the time to complain then the rangers might be more inclined to pursue noise reduction (besides of course busting climbing revellers.)
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burp
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jul 21, 2006 - 04:47pm PT
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Howdy,
Anyone been in Japan and heard bosozoku? You don't hear them during the day, but through the night cruising up and down the streets. Usually in roving bands.
They ride superbikes with or without the muffler, gear it way down (not kidding, I've seen some bosozoku give full on throttle and still just crawl along), and rev up the engine to make it as loud as possible.
Pretty bizarre and unique to Japan.
Enjoy!
burp
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jul 21, 2006 - 05:15pm PT
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Davis Gunkie wrote:
"secondly, loud bikes mean a car can hear you and not hit you."
I can't hear a fukin' thing coming from outside of my car when I have my stereo cranked. Also, many luxury cars and SUV's tout how they can shut out the outside noise.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 21, 2006 - 05:25pm PT
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I guess those bosozoku bozos never heard what riding a riceburner is like.
Hint; feels OK 'til someone sees you doing it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
LA, Ca
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Jul 21, 2006 - 06:08pm PT
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With the many really great rides being made today (compared to when I rode a lot in the late '70's on Bonnevilles etc.,) I cannot imagine having a Harley. Sh*t, revving a Harley is like beating a dead horse...
And I don't buy the "noise is making me safer" line. Sure, loud pipes are good for lane splitting. But being sober and having oscillating headlights will do a lot more to keep you alive.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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Jul 21, 2006 - 07:57pm PT
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Not only are they too loud, they are down right scary to ride.
I rode 'rice burners' when I was younger. Mine was loud, but not as loud as a Harley. Had a friend buy a new Sportster and rave about it. On a road trip, I asked him if we could swap so I could see what all the fuss was about. I couldn't wait to get off it, it was top heavy and handled like sh#t. I also found out why he had been so far behind us the whole way, it was slow!
He was loath to give me my bike back :)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jul 21, 2006 - 08:50pm PT
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" There's something very unsettling about Werner agreeing with me. haha "
Sarcasm aside, it's best to remember, these are two guys who Don't hear said bikes in their respective climbing areas. (much)
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 21, 2006 - 08:57pm PT
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I hear them well Jaybro (low frequencies I hear well) and I feel for conrads plight. I just said it to confuse poor Piton Ron :-)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jul 21, 2006 - 09:00pm PT
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My bad, good work, anyway!
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SammyLee
Trad climber
Memphis
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Jul 21, 2006 - 09:13pm PT
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I have two bikes, a Suzuki SV650 and a Kawasaki KLR dual sport and I ride the hell out of them. My nephew is the service manager of a BIG Harley shop here in Memphis. My niece is a MSF instructor at the same shop. Naturally, they ride Hogs.
We HATE loud pipes. Besides being so obnoxious, they are a danger to the future of motorcycles. The more they aggravate people, the less freedom we'll have and more and more campgrounds etc. will prohibit bikes.
BUT, anyone who puts ice, sand, greese, etc. on the road or intentionally rides close to the yellow line, is courting manslaughter. Does anyone really want that blood on their hands? That image in their minds the rest of their lives?
My life as a rider is in constant danger because of cagers, all unintentional as far as I know. If someone wants to kill me outright, I'd really prefer to get off my bike, them out of their car and we can go head to head.
Too hot to climb tomorrow so my niece and I are doing a 400 mile, 4 state ride. With quiet pipes.
Sam
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 21, 2006 - 09:44pm PT
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I'm so confused.
When Werner hears those low frequencies does he run and hide behind the boulders hugging Phoolish?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 21, 2006 - 09:58pm PT
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I'm completely cornfused.
werner kidding ron kidding werner...
the noise in my head is un-bearable!
brap brap brap
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 22, 2006 - 01:59am PT
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"120 unmuffled American cylinders, reverberating through the canyon, sounding like the theme music for the end of the world . . . . . " - HST, c. 1966
I would rather follow a group of bikes on the road, than a bloated and slow Winnebago (compact car strapped to the roof) threatening to capsize at every turn.
The noise is obnoxious. And the California noise laws make no sense at all. A friend put some sort of farting muffler on his Honda Civic and got a ticket. It was probably 20 dB quieter than a typical Harley.
Is exhaust noise a form of free speech?
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phoolish
Boulder climber
Athens, Ga.
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Jul 22, 2006 - 03:15am PT
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t*r
I lived there in the summer and fall of 2004, bumming around after college. I loved that area; it felt much more remote than boys town or whatever that other one was called.
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jul 22, 2006 - 08:51am PT
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One time a biker rode out into the meadow in Toulumne leaving a sizeable rut. When the rangers stopped him they took his key, would not let him ride out and gave him a choice: either pay for a helicopter lift out or take the bike apart and carry it piece by piece back to the road. One of LEO's finest hours.
Peter
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jul 22, 2006 - 09:07am PT
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So how about a petition to have them banned from national parks, monuments, and forests. I have to believe park service officials would be more in favor than agaisnt. Of course with the current administration the secretary of the interior would find herself out a job pretty quick if she went along. Perhaps individual parks have some control over such matters. Yellowstone must be horrendous also.
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Sioux Juan
Big Wall climber
Costa Mexico
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Jul 22, 2006 - 09:21am PT
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don't ban the bike ....ban the noise
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jul 22, 2006 - 09:25am PT
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Yes, that's what I meant but didn't I guess I left it out.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 22, 2006 - 09:32am PT
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SOP, Maysho.
Once in the 70s a couple of trials riders came down the LaVerkin Creek bed from the Kolob (actually a pretty remarkable accomplishment, their tracks were found sometimes a meter up vertical rock) and almost made it out of the park before encountering district ranger Hal Greenlee on one of his exceedingly rare patrols.
Besides citations they had to disassemble their bikes and carry them out.
But a trials bike is MUCH lighter than a road bike.
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