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RtM
climber
DHS
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Oct 27, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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thanks nature, for that info! Its not something I think about often, I just know its a common practice in the industry.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 27, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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yeah... you're welcome.
It's one of the areas I've had to look in to. Not only do we have to look at the state of a species as well as the state of that species in a particular fishery the catch method is important. It can get pretty bad.
Back in the early '90s I worked in the fishery industry - night crew at a processing plant. Didn't know much about catch methods.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 27, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
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I'm no fan of mass commercial fishing, especially at the disregard of other species.
Who is the highest demand for commercial fish? What drives this? I have a feeling it's Japan. I know they've decimated their fishing industry, their waters.
With shark-finning and dolphin massarce, I lost respect for their appetite for fish long ago. They are marine marauders.
(let's not even go into their "scientific" whaling adventures").
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 27, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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this is precious. people trying to diss commercial fishing but not having a GD clue what they are talking about.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 27, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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this is precious. people trying to diss commercial fishing but not having a GD clue what they are talking about.
My intention was not to 'diss' anything really, except for Japan's illogical overfishing of certain species, and their cruelty to others. That's all...
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bergbryce
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Oct 27, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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Bluey, I was referring to those mixing up long lining and purse seining and bottom trawling. Long lining is considered one of the more accurate methods to catch wild fish with the other two methods, less so, especially bottom trawling which is particularly devastating.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Oct 27, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
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it's not a radiation map ron!!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 27, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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Yeah Ron..The lobster at base camp was under cooked or rotting...WTF...Go plant a tree for the sierra club...RJ
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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So this story ties in with "The Ocean is Broken" story a bit. I was watching Anthony Bordain on tour is Sicily and the episode was the craziest travel-report I've ever seen. He hires some locals to take him "fishing" and (humorous but sad) hilarity ensues when not a live animal can be found anywhere:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/cityofate/2013/10/anthony_bourdains_almost_lost.php
The Best Lines from Anthony Bourdain's Drunk Disaster in Sicily
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Bourdain starts the show with a local chef on a boat, bobbing up and down over the choppy waves of the Mediterranean. They're supposedly going to catch a variety of sea life that they'll proudly haul up to the restaurant and serve that night for dinner.
Bourdain has on a full wetsuit and seems pretty much cool about the excursion. He's skeptic about the loot the chef plans to catch -- a skepticism with roots in his previous show, No Reservations -- but gladly plays along. He jumps in the water with snorkel and mask. What happens next is crazy.
The guys that stay in their boat throw octopus and fish in the water, that the chef, Torino, pretends to heroically catch. They're simply fetching dead sea life out of the water for, what the chef obviously hopes, will be a highly edited version of the show. Something got lost in translation. Bourdain is shattered. A drink-himself-into-oblivion level of depression ensues. He actually gets so drunk after going "diving," and he says he doesn't remember dinner (which, yes, was also filmed).
Following are Bourdain's best excerpts and one-liners, all of which took place in just the first 14 minutes of the episode:
"So I get on the water and I'm paddling, and 'Splash!' Suddenly, there's a dead sea creature sinking in front of me. Are you kidding me? I'm thinking, 'This can't be happening.' There's another one! And another rigor mortis half-frozen freaking octopus.
"Each specimen dropped to the sear floor to moments later be discovered by our hero, Torino.
"I'm no marine biologist, but I know dead octopus when I see one.
"Strangely everyone else seems to believe the hideous sham unfolding before our eyes, doing their best to ignore the blazingly obvious."
"Then, they gave up and just dumped the whole bag of dead fish into the sea.
"At this point I begin desperately looking for signs of life. Hoping one of them would become revived. Frantically swimming around the bottom for one that's still twitching, then turn to the camera and end this misery. But, no, my shame will be absolute.
"For some reason I feel something snap and I slide quickly into a near-hysterical depression.
"'Is this what it's come to?' I'm thinking, as another dead squid narrowly misses my head. Almost a decade later and I'm back in the same country staging fishing scenes?
"Complicit in a shameful shameful incident of fakery, but there I was bobbing listlessly in the water with dead sea life sinking to the bottom all around me. You've got to be pretty immune to the world to not see the obvious metaphor here.
"I've never had a nervous breakdown before, but I tell you from the bottom of my heart, something fell apart down there. And it took a long long time after this damn episode to recover.
"I'm sitting in a nearby café pounding one Negroni after another in a smoldering, miserable rage."
"By the time dinner rolls around, I'm ripped to the TV-bleep. Did I mention it's my birthday?
"I've had three hours of bobbing around on a pitching boat, a couple more hours getting looped, two more hours lying on the sidewalk outside while the crew hangs lights, so I'm gone, baby, gone. I don't remember any of this. Any of it.
"Apparently there were white olives from some tree only Torino knows about. Maybe next to his secret fishing hole.
"There was great Sicilian wine apparently. And, apparently, I drank a lot of it.
"I must have sulked back to bed somehow, collapsed into a sodden drunken heap of self loathing. I would have ordinarily turned on the porn channel and loaded up on prescription meds, but there's no TV at agriturismo."
What got me was that there were no fish of any size or kind in the water. Even with all the dead fish dumped in the water no live fish even came into scavenge them. Kinda creepy.
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RtM
climber
DHS
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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bergbryce
my apologies, I incorrectly named the netting method.
However, the (original) topic of the thread is the unsustainable practices of the tuna industry. The method I described is used in the tuna industry, and is unsustainable.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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On the Today Show they showed a clip from off Cabo where a guy hooked a big marlin that jumped right into the boat!
In order to escape the huge spike one of the guys on deck backs up to the stern and falls overboard!
You can see him bobbing in the wake.
Al Roker made a quip about the marlin having a story about "the one that got away."
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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I've thought about writing the 7-11 corporation to stop selling canned tuna and only sell canned chicken. I know that sounds funny since tuna is the chicken of the sea, but it would be a small step for dolphin-kind. It's hard to tell the difference in the two once they're canned anyway. Personally, I quit eating tuna many years ago, loved eating it with pitons and all that.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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can't argue with that method of hunting.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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It matters less to me how the fishing is done than the net effect (if you'll pardon the pun).
By hunting tuna and other apex species to extinction (which is what short sighted fishermen are attempting) the top predators are removed and the ecosystem does a tailspin. The secondary predator population grows unchecked until the prey base collapses, and then it too crashes.
We'll be left with jellyfish and mollusks.
I just won't be a party to it any more.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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JTM writes:
"He hires some locals to take him "fishing" and (humorous but sad) hilarity ensues when not a live animal can be found anywhere"
What do you bet every restaurant within sight of the coast there is a seafood joint?
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Oct 29, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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A little late on this discussion, back to the first page on the mercury warnings.
Lake Mary supplies about a third of the drinking water to the city of Flagstaff. The state officials warn it is ill advised to consume Walleye from Lake Mary due to mercury and limit consumption of other fish to one 8 oz. filet per month.
While researching this I realized that most all of the lakes in AZ have some sort of mercury warnings, for Striped Bass, Largemouth and others. Damn, some of my favorite fish to capture and consume.
http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/fish_consumption.shtml
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