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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 24, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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""The Wave" claims another life-needlessly"
Wouldn't a more accurate name for this thread be:
"Really stupid decision making claims another life- needlessly"?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 24, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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^^^^yep^^^^
Warning: deserts are hot and dry!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 24, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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I'll bet they would be more likely to come down if you say "we have a high degree of local knowledge, proper equipment, training and experience, and physical fitness, and we no longer feel safe up there."
Some people feel compelled to try whatever you say they can't or shouldn't do.
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Roots
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Jul 24, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
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Sheesh! Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Hahahahaha....that went out the door about the turn of the century.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 24, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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It is possible that the deceased hiker had a hidden physical problem in her heart that she was unaware of, which would make such a hike more hazardous for her, than for an average person in good health.
It is overly simplistic to blame her untimely and tragic death on either "the wave", the Forest Service, or her own poor judgement.
We all have our individual biological strengths and weaknesses, and so our bodies react differently to extreme conditions.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 24, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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We all have our individual biological strengths and weaknesses, and so our bodies react differently to extreme conditions.
What? That would require me to give up my right to pontificate based on zero personal knowledge. What fun would that be?
John
P.S. Yes, I know -- it hasn't stopped me yet.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 24, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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Too funny, John. If it wasn't for half-baked and ill-informed opinions, I wouldn't have any opinion at all.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Jul 24, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
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what an incredibly sad situation, what would be even sadder, however, is if this were to cause there to be more regulation in any way shape or form in this area.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 24, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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First sign should read "This way to the Egress".
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skywalker
climber
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Jul 24, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
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That sucks. Condolences for the victim and the family. I'm not judging but I know that when I climb in "The Park" I often see families following "Dad" who is wearing shorts, a Broncos sweatshirt, and a "Bowie Knife", sans water, map, and obviously a pack with snacks going up at 1:30 pm in spite of the dark clouds and being above tree line.
I had an eye opener when my 20 year old cousin came out to visit from the east to be in "the mountains". I told her what to bring/ expect. She came armed with flip flops, and sun dresses. We went shopping then went to "the mountains".
S...
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 24, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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"It does come back to personal discretion, and making choices," said Rachel Tueller, a spokeswoman for the Arizona Strip District of the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, which controls The Wave. "Anytime you go out on public land, it's a risk. You have to know your own capabilities."
Yep.....
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jul 24, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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Man I see stupid people in the desert every day. I'm amazed that we've only had a few deaths this year. I've hiked hundreds of miles this summer in 100+ heat but I was getting payed. I sure wouldn't be doing it otherwise.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Jul 24, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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The better chance you have of death out there the greater the wilderness character. Sounds like they are doing a good job to me.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Jul 24, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
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Man I see stupid people in the desert every day. I'm amazed that we've only had a few deaths this year.
Not just in the desert. I'm looking forward to a hiking/climbing trip to New Hampshire next month, but not looking forward to seeing idiots setting off in shorts and t-shirts, no backpack, just one can of diet coke and a pack of Wrigleys.
TE
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jul 24, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
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I don't know how many times I've been hiking down from somewhere at the end of the day and have passed completely ill equipped people hiking up.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Jul 24, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
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Darwin Award . . .
Self Reliance is a beautiful thing!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jul 24, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
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i think cragman is onto something.
i'd bet this was a freak event. the woman was 27, a sufficiently avid hiker that she and the husband entered the lottery for this hike, and she died within a few hours. only 3 miles to the wave, and the shade temp was only 90. the husband was apparently fine.
they got lost on the way back, but not for long enough for the usual things to happen, and not in bad conditions.
she died of heart failure on a fairly short hike in good weather. the sad part is that she was really young.
condolences to the family.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 25, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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I liked how on the roads in Switzerland they put crosses on the road for everyone who died on the upcoming turn.
Tends to work.
Make applicants sign a waiver that they allow photos of their corpses to be shown to future applicants, and then make them look.
NO IMPROVEMENTS, the place is unique and people will love it to death.
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