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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 12, 2013 - 03:05am PT
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The people responsible need to be prosecuted.
"A visitor etches graffiti on a rock in Rattlesnake Canyon..."
http://www.pe.com/local-news/local-news-headlines/20130411-region-vandalism-closes-parts-of-joshua-tree-national-park.ece
Visitor my ass! This punk is a f*#king VANDAL. ( and actually WORSE than sh#t, because sh#t biodegrades by itself in a relatively short time )
By hiding the identity of this vandal,the Press-Enterprise newspaper out of Riverside is an accomplice in this vandalism, and should be made to pay the price. Janet Zimmerman, "reporter", should do time in a Federal Prison for conspiring in this crime.
To Janet Zimmerman "reporter", getting *the story* is more important leaving things as they were.
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FreeCoffee
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Apr 12, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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The press release and a map.
http://www.nps.gov/jotr/parknews/rattlesnake_canyon_closed.htm
It is sadly true. Rattlesnake Canyon will be closed to all until April 30. By then all of the graffiti should be cleaned up.
The closure includes all climbing in the canyon, accessing the Wonderland via the canyon, all the newly bolted routes in and around Boortemus and Iceberg Boulders, and access to the sport climbs on the hillside. (Bolting policy http://www.nps.gov/jotr/planyourvisit/fixed_anchors.htm )
Please respect all closures.
Thanks to Allied Climbers of San Diego who offered to do a cleanup in Rattlesnake Canyon. Also to Robert Fonda and Kai at Nomad Ventures who reported some of the graffiti. This time, we will be using some students from an urban school in San Francisco for the clean-up.
If you would like to volunteer to help clean-up graffiti in the park (there are many other places aside from Rattlesnake) please let me know.
Also, if you see graffiti please take a picture and GPS coordinates and report it to the park.
Other comments can be directed to JTree's superintendent, Mark Butler: mark_butler@nps.gov
Thank you very much,
Bernadette Regan
JT Climbing Ranger
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 12, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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Climbing Ranger.
With all due respect, why is it nessary to CLOSE the place?
Is it S.O.P. ?????
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 12, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
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PROPS
Thanks to Allied Climbers of San Diego who offered to do a cleanup in Rattlesnake Canyon. Also to Robert Fonda and Kai at Nomad Ventures who reported some of the graffiti. This time, we will be using some students from an urban school in San Francisco for the clean-up
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FreeCoffee
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Apr 12, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
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Guyman,
The vandalism is under investigation and Rattlesnake Canyon is considered a crime scene, hence the closure.
Bernadette
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 12, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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Bernadette thank's for conducting an investigation.
p.s. do u think when u have some time to get down to stoney point to perform an investigation about all of the graffitti on our rocks?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 14, 2013 - 01:22am PT
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Chaz that picture you posted is not Rattlesnake Cyn, it's Barker Dam. As far as I know there are no chiseled graffiti's in Rattlesnake.
Regarding our climbing ranger Bernadette, she's cool. She is in the rare and somewhat odd position of being both a government official and a climber. Of course being in this position is her choice. Anyway these closure decisions obviously are not hers but she is left with the job of informing us. Don't shoot the messenger, so to speak. We're lucky to have her there.
Personally I think the closure is heavy handed. Of course if you look at the closure map you can see that the beautiful steep shady north facing cliffs of Indian Country are still open, although an inventive approach will be needed to avoid the closure area.
Thanks to the people and organizations who plan to clean up this vandalism.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 15, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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OK... a crime scene. I get it.
...trying to find the barn door, after the cow walked away. 5 years ago....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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I still maintain that they should allow business as usual - the more good
people that are up there with cameras, the better. That assumes they would
have the cojones to photograph the perps or phone 911.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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This is a comically ridiculous response by the NPS, as seems to be the norm for the agency. Not blaming Bernadette, but hopefully she can communicate the sentiment to her flat-hat overlords.
Aside from the laughable long term closure as a "crime scene" bit (it'd take you about 15min from the car to document all the stuff with a camera), what in the world does the Boortemus and Iceberg boulders have to do with anything? They are probably a mile from the grafitti, not even in the canyon itself but on the plains well away from the mouth, with no grafitti anywhere even remotely close to there.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 15, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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p.s. do u think when u have some time to get down to stoney point to perform an investigation about all of the graffitti on our rocks?
OK. I admit that I haven't climbed at Stoney Point since I left the LA area 30 years ago, but back then, the graffiti allowed us to identify certain routes (e.g, the Turlock Boulder and the Todd Traverse). It seemed part of the local ambiance then, rather like the carved initials in Telephone Pothole.
Have the taggers hit there, too? In any case, Rattlesnake Canyon taggers are, as Chaz says, merely vandals. Despite the sympathy for taggers in the "Dulfersitz" thread, tagging represents nothing more than malicious selfishness.
John
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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If you would like to volunteer to help clean-up graffiti in the park (there are many other places aside from Rattlesnake) please let me know.
Sorry, we prefer to sit on our asses and bitch about the park service. Thanks for asking, though.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Apr 16, 2013 - 10:53am PT
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Sorry, we prefer to sit on our asses and bitch about the park service. Thanks for asking, though.
+1
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stephenbmx1@yahoo.com montoya
Sport climber
texas
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Apr 16, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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f*#king ghetto sh#t machines, too bad they cant just wash it off with paint thinner and gasoline or something and call it a day, but instead ruin the fun for everyone, let the ghetto faggots win
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Apr 16, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Hate to break it to you but there are MANY on this forum both criticize and help out. There is much about NPS and it's management of our parks that is worthy of constructive criticism -- there is also much to be admired.
+1
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 16, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Khanom.... +1 +1
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 16, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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Wow. This thing is all over the national news now.
Seeing this, I think the Park Service made a huge mistake by going hyper public with this. They've made these idiots the most famous taggers ever!
This should have been kept on the low-low. Investigated, cleaned up and forgotten except maybe for a very discreet camera here and there.
Oh well...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 16, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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If I were slightly more cynical than I already am, I'd say...
"A cynic is someone who sees things the way they really are."
Mark Twain
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G Zeus
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Apr 17, 2013 - 01:00am PT
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What we should really do is invent time travel so we can go beat the hell out of those native american rock defacers so we don't have to see their scratchings and drawings when we're out trying to enjoy nature.
Let's see -- scratch or paint a picture on a rock a long time ago and it becomes a resource. Do it now and people want to break your arms. Take away the passage of time and it becomes a crime.
What do you think? If the NPS had a time machine would they go back and bust ancient graffiti artists? I doubt it. They (and we, apparently) have judged one culture more valuable than another. I don't hear anyone screaming to have petroglyphs and pictographs eradicated from the park.
Logic. It's awful.
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