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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 29, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
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Nature. Simplify your life and dump all your images in a photos folder in the original camera folders. Then go from there.
Edit I guess I should say that I copy all my images to my computer directly from my cf card. I don't import them. I just find the last image in my computer photos folder and then goto the cf card folder and copy everything newer than that. It makes it a lot easier to keep them in the original camera folders and then they don't get mixed up.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 29, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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I shoot Nikon Raw (NEF), ingest with Photo Mechanic, then import with Adobe LR4. For edits not possible in LR4 I go out to Photoshop or Nikon NX2 or Helicon or whatever, and then save back to LR4. LR4 is a great cataloging tool and it does most edits. All on a MacBook Pro 17.
Someone mentioned they use also use Nikon NX 2. Nikon NX2 is becoming archaic. Nikon is not updating it anymore and the company that developed the program for Nikon has been bought by Google.
Another thought, if you have use for more than just Lightroom, consider Adobe Creative Cloud. It's a subscription. For $50 a month you get access to every program they make, and all updates: Photoshop, Lightroom, Premier, Audition, Dreamweaver, Flash, Acrobat, etc. If you use some of those things or need to, it's a tremendous value.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 29, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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I always used Photoshop as a journalist (though I am not a graphic designer).
I have Adobe Suite with Photoshop included. But since upgrading to OS X Lion, it does not support My Adobe Suite. Bummer, but I cannot and will not put out like €1,000 plus for a product I already bought.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 01:47am PT
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So I'd like to easily manage my photos between my various Apple devices. How to I go about getting my photos onto my iPhone or (especially) iPad if I ditch iPhoto?
(drag to album in iPhoto on Mac and sync is about as easy as it gets)
old-schoolers need not reply ;-)
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The Alpine
climber
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:40am PT
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The first step is to stop using iPhoto!
What about a networked harddrive? Access to all from anywhere.
I second the sentiment above of just copying your cards into a organized photos directory folder on your computer.
Edit:
Maybe, I missed it, but what are you using the photos for? Personal? Business?
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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Lightroom. Aperture is iPhoto glorified, and an absolute nightmare for file management. I tried to use Aperture for a year and just gave up, it does truly just suck in its file management. If you find iPhoto annoying then Aperture is professional-level annoying.
Within about an hour of using Lightroom my photo world made sense again. Both programs take some time to work out, but having really worked through Aperture I would never foist that program on anyone, I truly hate it. All those lost hours in Aperture trying to find files, organize drives, my god but it is horrendous. Didn't realize how bitter I was until I started writing this.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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The Alpine: For personal.
I have decided on Lightroom. Aperture doesn't have a trial version so forget that.
I've just upgraded my cameras - I bought a canon S100 with underwater housing and a canon 60D.
regarding iPhoto - I don't find it annoying at all. Maybe I'm just use to it. So far I've found the way Lightroom organizes to be slightly annoying but I probably need to get use to that.
If someone can point out how I can use Lightroom to manage my images and share them seamlessly and as easily with my other iOS devices I'll be more inclined to use that. Until then I guess I'll do my work in Lightroom and management in iPhoto.
Cosmic - I don't and I don't need Photoshop. I'm not planning on doing manipulations. The "Develop" area in Lightroom is really all I need (minus organizing).
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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awesome.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
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I use Aperture 3 and like it just fine. Run it on a newish Macbook Pro with 8G of ram. Anything less and the performance is too poor.
--Great for organizing a large library and very fast on keyword (including data in the image headers) searches even with 100,000+ images in the library
--good tools in Aperture for image tweaking and good ability to work in batch mode. If I want to put sharks behind divers, I fire up Photoshop Elements 9.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
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If you already have an older version of photoshop on your computer,
you can upgrade to the latest version for about 200 dollars.
Depends how old the older version is. Adobe used to allow upgrades from any previous version. They changed that policy a few years back. Now they only allow 2 versions back or newer to qualify for upgrade pricing.
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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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Lightroom has a "copy photos into my library" or "import in place" setting. I think iphoto has the same which should let you import and index the same folders of images with both without having either keep a copy internally (they just keep a pointer to the location).
You may have to export everything from iphoto first.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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I gave that a try but if I export it from iPhoto it makes a copy. I can't switch iPhoto to view the export as one of its libraries.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 30, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
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I tried 'segmenting' my hard drive and created a second smaller one with a Leopard OS, still, no chance with Adobe Suite. F*#k Apple and F*#k Adobe, I paid good money for my Adobe suite, and for my Macs. I am still a Mac person, and I like Adobe, but if they cannot play along and sync with one another, f*#k it, its a money game and they have it and I don't.
But I will never ever go to Windows.
All of these companies get you by the curlies and then screw you. I'd almost want to become a hacker to screw them back. But I don't have the expertise and I do not believe in hacking.
Steve Jobs can rot in hell, and Geschke and Warnock can go to hell, greedy bastards.
I bought Adobe Suite and then Apple upgrades to a new OS and now my Adobe suite is useless unless I pay another €1,000, which I don't have. I am a full-time carer for my partner, and I cannot afford their bullshit games and greed.
Perhaps an analogy. I buy a car with a stereo system. A couple of years later...
... oh forget it, a bad analogy.
Screw these pricks. No wonder there are hackers out there. These companies thrive on greed.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 30, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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Patrick,
What version of the Adobe suite do you have? CS4? CS3?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 31, 2013 - 07:00am PT
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NO Froodish. CS2 but it worked fine with my Leopard, but Adobe tells me that I have to upgrade - at €1,000 - to the latest in order to use it on Lion.
But that does not seem right that I paid good money for CS2 several years ago and now I have to pay out more, in some ways I sort of lay the blame on Apple for not making apps like CS2 compatible, but then I am no expert on operating systems.
If Adobe could offer me a cheaper upgrade (being a full-time carer and with freelance work hard to come by, I live on a paltry €204 a week Carer's Allowance), I'd take back what I've said about them.
Maybe I am just being naïve. I know we have to upgrade things from time to time, but CS2 is not THAT old.
I thought if I partitioned my hard drive and created a second smaller drive (Leopard) that I could load Leopard and CS2 and that would solve the problem. I didn't really use the CS2 suite much, but it was handy to have as a journalist/writer.
I have no problems with any of my Microsoft programs on Lion, and I think it should be the same with CS2, but alas, it is not. Apparently PowerPC applications are no longer supported (that's the message I get when trying to open Photoshop or InDesign) in Lion.
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Sebastopol
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Jan 31, 2013 - 10:22am PT
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Patrick, you either ride the technology wave or get pummeled in the backwash. Don't get farther behind more than 2 generations. The new versions are so much better than the old ones there is no logic in not using them. Especially in software.
To the OP: you are on the right track with Lightroom. Watch Chris Orwig's tutorials on LR4 at Lynda.com. All your questions will be answered.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 31, 2013 - 11:07am PT
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Use Gimp(open source Photoshop clone) and ImageMagick(open source everything for gfx). ImageMagick is especially good at batch processing of images. I like the command line use of ImageMagick "convert" with -sharpen and -contrast-stretch when I have hundreds of images to process. Familiarity with some scripting language helps, I guess.
They are both free and downloadable, although consider donating.
Darwin
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jbaker
Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
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Jan 31, 2013 - 11:26am PT
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Patrick:
Adobe offers some education and non-profit discounts. Worth checking to see if you can qualify somehow. The price will still be pretty darn high.
There are several free, web-based photo editors that aren't bad. More of an iPhoto/Picasa level of capability than Photoshop, but they might be enough. iPiccy.com is my current favorite.
For occasional use, you might be able to get away with using trial versions of CS?, Photoshop Elements, Lightroom.
I'm not sure where in the UK you are, but there might be a Telecentre nearby with the Adobe suite available.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
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Thanks for the tip, Jerry.
Everything was going so well. I'm working through
Photoshop Lightroom 4 Essentials: 01 Organizing and Sharing with the Library Module
I got so excited to see the Importing from iPhoto or Aperture.
And then when I tried it it didn't allow me to import.
m'eh!
still... this is good stuff. Guess I'll have to migrate my 11K photos from iPhoto the hard way though.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 31, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
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Jerry, I understand, but it is not like I can either afford it or using it for professional reasons.
Jbaker, Ireland, not the UK, but yes, I have had to deal with Adobe in the UK. Told me I have to upgrade, no other way around it. I am still going to try to figure out a way to use my CS2 Suite on my Leopard drive. Just haven't found a way yet. Time to talk with a Mac technician who has worked on my computers before.
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