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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Apr 28, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
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I have heard of someone who got a deer tick up on the Marble Fork trail in SEKI and contracted Lyme disease just last year. This was their first ever hike in the park. The tick in the pic was from the Castle Rock Trail, lower approach....Notorious for all those kind of things!
And it was one of those little Black and Red deer ticks. No lyme though, I don't think.....
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Apr 29, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
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I have a friend who works for CDC. She got interested in ticks and started collecting them nearly five years ago, just hoping she could get funding for research. She had developed lyme after a tick bite with no bullseye rash. So domt count on that if you get a tick take the a tibiotics. Well informed doctors would rather givenyou the antibiotics than take the chance. I have contributed quite a few myself.
She never could get funding because she was in the wrong department, but a co worker did. She donated her collection of ticks to the cause, so they keep her informed of what they find in the ticks. It is a long and nasty laundry list.
One of the most interesting ones was car scratch fever. There have been several people who got it without having been exposed to cats or any of the other mammals known to carry it. They dont have enough numbers yet to say it came from ticks but they probably will soon.
I have gotten to the point I can sometimes feel those little buggers scratching around for purchase and some times find little red puncture marks near them. Shiver!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 29, 2016 - 01:57pm PT
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I would have used a razor blade to get the head out if I had to. I have had success with both the cover them with Vaseline and then wait 15 minutes and then grab the head with tweezers method, and just grabbing as close to the skin as possible with tweezers and gently tugging until it lets go. I haven't had that many, a handful over the years but I've never left a head in.
edit;
here comes Annabelle Nicholas Name, Lyme disease debunker extraordinaire
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Apr 29, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
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The vast majority, and possibly ALL cases of Lyme disease are completely resolved after a few weeks of very ordinary oral antibiotics.
But only if diagnosed and treated, and there are many doctors who will refuse to prescribe that course of antibiotics if there hasn't been a bullseye rash.
TE
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 29, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
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another nickname, you are a troll and should be ignored. Not worth wasting anyone's breath on.
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Apr 29, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
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Yea, I agree with Lynne!! I know somebody who got severally disabled from
Lyme!!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 30, 2016 - 08:38am PT
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Between the ticks and the waterborne virus bacteria and protozoa that you carry you must be rather skeevy. What's next don't bother wiping?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 30, 2016 - 08:58am PT
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Except a lot of us know multiple people whose lives have been severely impacted by lymes including the loss of friends and loved ones.
As far as what medically constitutes lymes as a disease and what microbiological agents are involved in that classification, those are two different matters altogether and as someone with at least a smattering of microbiology I say that we've only just begun to unravel that space. But that fact has no bearing on the severity of this condition or how many peoples' lives are being affected by it.
Any statements which can be construed as dismissive of the risks involved are entirely misguided, unproductive and unwelcome.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 30, 2016 - 09:40am PT
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Ah, another conspiracy nutjob.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 30, 2016 - 11:02am PT
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Also which is it, it is not a real disease or it was created in a government Laboratory?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 30, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
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Well, journalism (reporting) is not a vacuum cleaner which just sucks up any old shite and then sprays it unexamined onto the Internet. There are many names for that, but 'journalism' and 'reporting' are not among them.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Apr 30, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
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Stoopid Americans think they're at the top of the food chain.
Deer ticks, mosquitoes and hanta virus eat people.
Stoopid American movie makes a big shark appear to be the ultimate threat to all mankind.
Wrong.
Stoopid Americans threatened more by little tiny sh#t they can't see, and can't comprehend.
Stoopid Americans ARE the food chain.
HOW TO SERVE MAN
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 30, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
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With fava beans and a nice Chianti
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2017 - 09:11am PT
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On the subject of tinfoil hat conspiracy's and Lyme. The claim is that a strain was tested out on Texas Prison Inmates, and it was all fun and games till it started transferring over to the guards and then their family's. Old news I had not seen previously.
http://www.publichealthalert.org/mycoplasma---often-overlooked-in-chronic-lyme-disease.html
"Mycoplasma - Often Overlooked In Chronic Lyme Disease
June 1, 2009 in Science/Research by Scott Forsgren
Those of us with chronic Lyme disease are quite familiar with the names of the better known Lyme co-infections. Babesia, Bartonella, and Ehrlichia have become everyday words. As much as we would like to rid ourselves of these illness-producing pathogens, they have become a part of our daily struggle to regain a sense of health and wellness. Unfortunately, these are not the only co-infections seen in chronic Lyme disease. For some reason,Mycoplasma infections are not only lesser known by patients, but seemingly often overlooked by doctors as well. It is important for us, as patients, to educate ourselves on the topic of Mycoplasma and to ask our practitioners how we are being evaluated and treated for these infections.
In 1987, Dr. Garth Nicolson, PhD was a professor at the University of Texas at Houston when his wife, an instructor at Baylor College of Medicine, became seriously ill and nearly died. She was diagnosed with a Mycoplasma infection, treated, and later recovered. A few years later, their daughter, who had served in the Gulf War, returned from active duty quite ill. Not only was she sick, but the symptoms that she exhibited were very similar to those that Dr. Nicolson's wife had expressed years earlier.
At that point, Dr. Nicolson had the idea that his daughter's illness could be the result of an infection and started to investigate his theory further. As his work progressed, he looked at Brucella, Borrelia, Ehrlichia, and other chronic intracellular infections that have the potential to cause illness and present with overlapping signs and symptoms. In Gulf War veterans that were being evaluated, approximately 45% of those that were ill had Mycoplasma infection. It was found that the infection was a particular type of Mycoplasma, namely a peculiar species called Mycoplasma fermentans.
Very little was known about this particular species of Mycoplasma at the time except that the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and the Army had been doing research on the organism. Once this likely causative agent of Gulf War Illness (GWI) had been identified in about one-half of the GWI cases, Dr. Nicolson recommended that the Mycoplasma-infected Gulf War veterans be treated with Doxycycline. He then found himself the target of vicious attacks for making the connection between the illness and M. fermentans. Dr. Nicolson shared that "even talking about this organism was highly discouraged." In fact, until the Gulf War, the military's own medical school had been teaching about the dangers of M. fermentans for years.
Background
Just years earlier in Texas, prisons emerged in which many of the inmates and guards came down with neurodegenerative conditions at rates that were far from ordinary. In Huntsville, where three large State prisons are found, there were about 70 cases of ALS, numerous cases of Multiple Sclerosis, and highly unexpected numbers of Rheumatoid Arthritis cases. At that time, the term "Mystery Disease" was used to identify the unusual illnesses that so many seemed to have acquired.
Dr. Nicolson started testing prison guards and their family members and found that very high numbers of these people were testing positive for Mycoplasma fermentans. Furthermore, this appeared to be a weaponized version of the organism called M. fermentans incognitus, a specific strain of Mycoplasma that had been altered to cause more severe symptoms, to be more virulent, and to be more survivable than the naturally occurring M. fermentans. Dr. Nicolson believed that biological weapons experiments had been carried out on inmates in the Texas prison system for years in which humans had been used as guinea pigs.
As time progressed, these illnesses did not remain confined to the prisoners. Soon after the prisoners unknowingly became a part in these experiments, the prison guards became ill. Their illnesses gradually became those of their families. It was not long before these Mycoplasma-based illnesses became a broader part of the surrounding Huntsville, Texas landscape.
The Texas prisoners that came down with Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) later died. In the state of Texas, at the time, the state law dictated that all prisoners that died were later to be autopsied at University of Texas at Galveston. However, that was not what was happening to the prisoners who had died as a result of this horrific experimentation, according to Dr. Nicolson. Through one of his former students who at the time was responsible for the autopsy service at UT Galveston, Dr. Nicolson learned that none of the bodies had been sent there. Dr. Nicolson had discovered that at least six private autopsies a week were being performed on deceased prisoners at a US Army base. The bodies were then sent to a private crematory at a secret location in central Texas. Additionally, prisoner records were destroyed. All of this, according to Dr. Nicolson, violated state law.
Though much of the evidence of this experimentation had been destroyed, a document was found in the basement of an Austin building that was viewed as the "smoking gun". The document indicated that the Texas Prison Board, Baylor College of Medicine, and the Department of Defense were all a part of the experiments involving the Texas prisoners - experiments that later resulted in the death of many of the inmates. According to Dr. Nicolson, some of the experiments used Mycoplasma while others utilized various "cocktails of microbial agents" such asMycoplasma, Brucella, and DNA viruses such as Parvovirus B19. This project later became the topic of a book by Dr. Nicolson entitled Project Day Lily.
Dr. Nicolson believes that Mycoplasma fermentans is a naturally occurring microbe. However, some of the strains that exist today have been weaponized. Dr. Nicolson's research found unusual genes in M. fermentans incognitus that were consistent with a weaponized form of the organism. Weaponzing of an organism is done in an attempt to make a germ more pathogenic, immunosuppressive, resistant to heat and dryness, and to increase its survival rate such that the germ could be used in various types of weapons. Genes which were part of the HIV-1 envelope gene were found in these Mycoplasma. This means that the infection may not give someone HIV, but that it may result in some of the debilitating symptoms of the HIV disease. Indicators of a weaponized organism were evident in the prison guards in Huntsville as well as in military personnel that were likely exposed to the infections both through military vaccinations as well as through weapons used in the Gulf War.
The unfortunate reality according to Dr. Nicolson is that "once these things get out, you can't put the genie back in the bottle". Once these germs have been released, they are airborne infections that slowly penetrate into the population. In the case of Mycoplasma fermentans, Dr. Nicolson believes that this is exactly what happened. It may be this weaponized form of Mycoplasma that has led to the significant increases in neurodegenerative and autoimmune diseases over the last several years. Those patients with weaponized strains of these organisms are generally very sick. They may experience 60-75 signs and symptoms and are even at risk of their diseases becoming fatal.
In looking at the source of infection in the Gulf War veterans who were contracting Mycoplasma, Dr. Nicolson suggests that vaccinations appear to be the most likely mechanism through which the veterans became infected. Many military personnel that later became ill were far from the battlefields or had received the vaccinations and were never deployed. However, biological weapons sprayers were known to have been deployed by the Iraqis in the Gulf War and were used to spray the sand in Iraq and Kuwait. Gerald Schumacher, a Special Forces colonel in charge of biological weapons detection, blew the whistle on this after he retired. During the Gulf War, his group was not allowed to deploy their biological weapons detectors which led to reports that no such weapons were detected or used.
The Iraqis received a great deal of assistance on biological warfare from the United States during the Iran-Iraq Conflict. Both chemical and biologic weapons were given to them from the United States. After the Gulf War, rather than taking inventory of these weapons, they were blown up. Dr. Nicolson indicates that some of his patients have taken videos standing next to crates with Hazardous Materials tags from the United States. In the same videos, the crates are opened and weapons are clearly striped as having originated from the United States and being both chemical and biological weapons.
There were clear indicators that Iraq had offensive weapons in their arsenal. In Kuwait, many people had become quite ill. It was estimated that 25% of the population after the Gulf War had signs and symptoms which matched the symptoms of those infected with weaponized Mycoplasma. There were also a number of other chemical exposures and thus, there was never a clear indicator as to whether or not the Iraqi illnesses were caused by biologic or chemical agents.
When asking Dr. Nicolson how much he personally has been harassed for bringing much of this information to light, he shared that it has been "a horrific time". After Dr. Nicolson exposed the Huntsville prison experiments, the University of Texas educational system attempted to fire him from his tenured and highly respected position. Dr. Nicolson shared that a tremendous amount of pressure was put on the University of Texas system to "shut him up and close his laboratory". He was threatened on an almost daily basis with closing his lab as he continued to do his research on Mycoplasma. This became a major subject in the book Project Day Lily. Fortunately, for many of us struggling with chronic illnesses, Dr. Nicolson's experience and knowledge continue to be a benefit in that we understand so much more than we otherwise would about this formidable foe called Mycoplasma.
Symptoms
The signs and symptoms of Mycoplasma infection are highly variable and thus it is not uncommon for a diagnosis to be entirely missed. A partial list of symptoms includes chronic fatigue, joint pain, intermittent fevers, headaches, coughing, nausea, gastrointestinal problems, diarrhea, visual disturbances, memory loss, sleep disturbances, skin rashes, joint stiffness, depression, irritability, congestion, night sweats, loss of concentration, muscle spasms, nervousness, anxiety, chest pain, breathing irregularities, balance problems, light sensitivity, hair loss, problems with urination, congestive heart failure, blood pressure abnormalities, lymph node pain, chemical sensitivities, persistent coughing, eye pain, floaters in the eyes, and many others. On Dr. Nicolson's web site at http://www.immed.org, a full list of signs and symptoms and an illness survey form can be found.
It doesn't take long to see that the symptoms of Mycoplasma infections are very similar to the symptoms of Borrelia infections in chronic Lyme disease. Dr. Nicolson has looked at some of the more common neurodegenerative diseases and the infections that are associated with each. Mycoplasma is commonly found in patients with ALS, Multiple Sclerosis, Autism, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Chronic Asthma, Lyme disease, and many other chronic disease conditions.
Characteristics
Mycoplasma are pleomorphic bacteria which lack a cell wall and, as a result, many antibiotics are not effective against this type of bacteria. There are over 100 known species of Mycoplasma, but only a half dozen or so are known to be pathogenic in humans. The pathogenic species are intracellular and must enter cells to survive. Once they are inside the cells, they are not recognized by the immune system and it is difficult to mount an effective response.
They stimulate reactive-oxygen species (ROS) which damage cell membranes. They release toxins into the body. Infected cells can be stimulated to undergo programmed cell death which may result in ALS or other severe neurological presentations. 90% of ALS patients evaluated were found to have Mycoplasma infections, whereasMycoplasma was found in 100% of ALS patients with Gulf War Syndrome, almost all of which were weaponizedM. fermentans incognitus.
They are thought of as "borderline anaerobes", meaning that they generally prefer low oxygen environments. Dr. Nicolson has found that airline employees are much more susceptible to these types of infections and that symptoms worsen with frequent long flights at low oxygen tension. Mycoplasma also have some characteristics of viruses.
Mycoplasma tend to be slow growing infections and they are usually transmitted slowly. Dr. Nicolson states that "Mycoplasma can be sexually transmitted, but the infection is usually passed through far less intimate contact.Mycoplasma can be obtained through fluid exchange, and it is easily transmitted through the air." In Gulf War veterans, the first person besides the veteran to become ill was the spouse and, later, other members of the household also became ill. Not everyone is equally susceptible to Mycoplasma infections, especially those with strong immune systems who can resist infection.
As already discussed, Mycoplasma fermentans produces numerous symptoms. Those infected are rarely found to be asymptomatic. In North America, M. pneumoniae is the most common Mycoplasma seen in various diseases. In Europe, M. hominis is far more prevalent and the incidence of M. fermentans is much lower than in North America.
The potential genetic factors involved in Mycoplasma illnesses are not known. Those with immune deficiencies and other illnesses, such as cancers and degenerative diseases, are at far greater risk of infection.
Prevalence
In one study looking at Mycoplasma in patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Dr. Nicolson has observed some interesting patterns in his research. Generally, the majority of CFS patients have Mycoplasma infections. However, CFS patients infected with Borrelia burgdorferi, the punitive agent in Lyme disease, had an even higher overallMycoplasma infection rate. As many as 75% of Lyme disease patients appear to have Mycoplasma infections, and yet Mycoplasma is often overlooked in the diagnosis and treatment of chronic Lyme disease, neurodegenerative diseases, and many other chronic illnesses lacking clear origins.
Even more startling was the finding that of the patients infected with Borrelia, over 50% of the patients had the M. fermentans infection. Approximately 23% carried M. pneumoniae. Chronic Fatigue patients that did not test positive for Borrelia had much more of a mixture of various species ofMycoplasma. Only 28% of the group not co-infected with Lyme disease had the M. fermentans infection. In normal, healthy controls, only 1.7% were found to have M. fermentans and at a total Mycoplasma infection rate of 5% compared to the 75% group mentioned earlier.
Dr. Nicolson notes that these findings are consistent with the fact that it is the Mycoplasma fermentans species that is more often isolated in ticks collected from the environment. The same tick that serves as the vector for Borrelia burgdorferi often also transmits M. fermentans simultaneously. Once a patient is multiply co-infected, the duration and severity of their illness both increase.
In his experience, Dr. Nicolson has found that Mycoplasma is the number one Lyme coinfection. The rate of infection with Mycoplasma in patients with Lyme disease surpasses that of Bartonella (25-40%) slightly and that ofBabesia (8-20%) significantly.
According to Dr. Nicolson, a healthy immune system can generally clear M. pneumoniae infections though will have a harder time eradicating M. fermentans on its own. Healthy people can often hold these infections in check - essentially having the infection but not expressing symptoms.
Testing
Dr. Nicolson noted that Mycoplasma infections in chronic Lyme disease are often overlooked by most doctors because they simply don't test for it. He states that those that do test for it find a much higher number of infected patients. Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD in New York finds a high incidence of M. fermentans, according to Dr. Nicolson.
Sadly, however, even if patients are tested for Mycoplasma, a similar problem exists here as the one that almost all Lyme doctors and patients are aware of - namely that reliable tests do not exist. Dr. Nicolson notes that once a laboratory gets a reliable test in place, the laboratory is often shutdown. There are only a few labs left that test forMycoplasma as a result.
In testing ticks for various microbial species, Dr. Nicolson has found a very high incidence of Mycoplasma fermentans. However, other Mycoplasma species have also been found such as M. pneumoniae and M. hominis. The incidence of these other species is far lower. "Far and away", it is the M. fermentans species that is seen in ticks, and this probably reflects the high incidence of M. fermentans coinfections in Lyme disease.
In terms of laboratory testing, Dr. Nicolson generally recommends Viral Immune Pathology, formerly known as RedLabs. He has found that the usefulness of any given lab in testing for Mycoplasma changes regularly. In the past, Dr. Nicolson used Medical Diagnostic Laboratories (MDL) for testing, but later he and other physicians found that the testing was no longer reliable. As a result, he no longer recommends MDL.
Dr. Nicolson finds that laboratories testing for Mycoplasma are highly scrutinized by federal agencies and that may affect the way the labs test and report this type of infection.
Autoimmunity
Thomas McPherson Brown, MD studied Mycoplasma at the Rockefeller Institute just before World War II. He was able to isolate bacteria from the joint fluid of a person with autoimmune arthritis and believed that the infection could have been the trigger for her disease. At the time, the organisms were too small to identify precisely, but it was later determined to be Mycoplasma.
Even then, Dr. Brown believed that Mycoplasma was very common and not easy to eradicate. He suggested using tetracycline drugs as an effective treatment for the disease. He later found that Doxycycline and Minocycline were effective at dealing with Mycoplasma. Though he garnered praise from his patients, he was generally regarded by the medical community as misguided and a trouble-maker. He died in 1989 prior to being fully vindicated. Fortunately, his work was validated through an NIH-sponsored study called MIRA or "Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis".
Due to many of the characteristics of Mycoplasma, they may be responsible for the triggering of numerous autoimmune responses. As Mycoplasma replicate within cells and are eventually released, they capture antigens from the surface of the host cell and incorporate these antigens into their own membranes. This makes it almost impossible for the body to tell the difference between good and bad, between human and microbe, or between us and them. As a result, the immune system may begin to respond to these antigens now incorporated into the cell walls of the bacteria and create a condition of self-attack, or autoimmunity.
The microorganisms can produce mimicry antigens that mimic the natural host surface antigens and trigger an immune response to these antigens which may also result in autoimmune conditions through cross-reactivity. Additionally, Mycoplasma may cause cell death of host cells through a process known as apoptosis or programmed cell death.
Treatment
Though various strains of Mycoplasma have their own unique characteristics and drug responses, treatment tends to be quite similar. The variations in the strains do not appear to be a factor in a successful treatment response.
Dr. Nicolson suggests that in-vitro differences have been found but that it is not possible to easily extrapolate these findings to an in-vivo environment. Various factors including drug targeting, drug clearance, and the ability for the drug to cross into various body compartments are important considerations in treatment that cannot be examined in-vitro. Dr. Nicolson believes that, like many other coinfections of Lyme disease, Mycoplasma cannot be fully eradicated, but that once infected, treatment becomes an ongoing "management approach". He notes that this is a commonly understood fact and that the same is true of other organisms such as Chlamydia and Borrelia. Mycoplasma have the ability to go into a quiescent phase in intracellular locations within the body. Once in these locations, neither antibiotics nor the immune system can effectively reach or kill the organisms. Many people recover from Mycoplasma infections and are fine for years. They may later have an incident involving severe trauma or other significant life stressor and symptoms fully reappear within weeks to months.
Dr. Nicolson recommends that the physician adopt an initial 6-month course of treatment with no break followed by several 6-week on, 2-week off antibiotic cycles. Candidate antibiotics include: Doxycycline, Ciprofloxacin (Cipro), Azithromycin (Zithromax), Minocycline, or Clarithromycin (Biaxin). He notes that antibiotic combinations may be required if there is a limited response to single drug, and most patients require switching antibiotics at least once during their treatment. Some patients may find the addition of Flagyl to be a benefit to treatment.
In Gulf War patients, once effectively treated, the majority of patients recovered. For civilians, six months is the minimum recommended treatment length, and some patients require much longer treatment in order to recover.Given that Mycoplasma have some characteristics of viruses, some physicians have suggested that Famvir or Ganciclovir may be added to the antibiotic therapy.
Herxheimer reactions do occur when treating Mycoplasma infections. To minimize this die-off effect where the patient generally feels much worse while on treatment, Dr. Nicolson advises using 50mg oral Benadryl taken 30 minutes before the antibiotics. He also finds that a strained blend of 1 whole lemon, 1 cup fruit juice, and 1 tablespoon of olive oil can be helpful. Though Dr. Nicolson believes that antibiotics are the most effective approach to treating Mycoplasma infections, he has found some good natural options. In terms of natural approaches to treating Mycoplasma, Raintree Nutrition (http://www.rain-tree.com); has created several products that may be quite helpful for patients. These include Raintree Myco, Raintree A-F, and Raintree Immune Support.
Dr. Nicolson has seen evidence that Mycoplasma-specific transfer factors such as those from Chisholm Labs and others can be beneficial in some patients. He says that many natural options help in some patients, but that his experience has been that the antibiotic treatment results in the best outcomes. In many, recovery requires a push and pull between conventional and alternative treatments.
One of the hallmark signs of Mycoplasma infection is fatigue. The infections lead to oxidation in the body that leads to damage of the cell membranes. Oxidation accelerates the damage to the lipids in cell membranes which impacts mitochondrial function. This leads to less energy in the cell and ultimately to a fatiguing of the larger organism due to the fact that there is less energy to support necessary cellular functions. In patients where fatigue is due to cell membrane damage, Dr. Nicolson has found NT FactorŽ to be highly beneficial. NT FactorŽ replaces the damaged lipids and helps to restore mitochondrial function. Often, fatigue then resolves or is reduced.
Dr. Nicolson has found that oxidative therapies such as ozone can be helpful in the fight against Mycoplasma. However, he notes that this is generally palliative and does not produce the same results as the antibiotic therapy in the long-term. He finds that the oxidative therapies "are generally more cytostatic than cytotoxic". Hyperbaric oxygen may be helpful but similarly does not appear to be a highly effective treatment in the longer-term.
In other countries, IV drips with H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) have been used with some benefit, but Dr. Nicolson notes that these therapies, while potentially effective, are highly dangerous and not advised.
In the realm of frequency medicine and Rife therapy, Dr. Nicolson believes that the frequencies that could be used to address Mycoplasma are too similar to normal cellular frequencies. Thus, he is not certain that Rife therapy is an effective way to approach the problem.
In the nutritional realm, Dr. Nicolson finds that many patients with chronic infections are immunosuppressed and that proper nutrition is vital. He cautions against smoking and drinking. He suggests avoidance of sugars, trans-fats, and allergenic foods. He advises patients to increase their fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. Some dietary winners in supporting the immune system include cruciferous vegetables, soluble fiber-based foods such as prunes and bran, wheat germ, yogurt, fish, and whole grains.
Patients are often depleted in key vitamins and minerals. Supplementation with B-Complex, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and CoQ-10 are often beneficial. Minerals are often necessary. Dr. Nicolson notes, however, that many people have poor absorption and may require sublingual or injectable forms of these nutrients. Amino acids, flax seed, and fish oils can provide additional support, but the best nutrition for cell membranes is NT FactorŽ.
Many patients with chronic illnesses have a toxic body burden of heavy metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium, and aluminum. Hair, stool, and urine testing is available through labs like Doctor's Data (http://www.doctorsdata.com); and Genova Diagnostics (http://www.gdx.net);. Dr. Nicolson has seen reports of positive results with EDTA chelation suppositories from Detoxamin (http://www.detoxamin.com); and oral chelators from Longevity Plus (www.longevityplus.com).
For patients using antibiotics, beneficial gut flora is often depressed. Supplementation with a high quality probiotic is important, but probiotics have to be taken two hours or longer after taking antibiotics. Natural immune support can be helpful in the form of whey proteins, transfer factors, or immune-support products such as Beyond Immuni-T from Longevity Plus.
Biolfims
Dr. Nicolson believes that biofilms are a factor in successfully treating Mycoplasma infections. In cases that are refractory to antibiotics, biofilms are likely a major factor. In men with chronic refractory prostatitis which is infection-based, one often cannot be treated effectively with antibiotics. However, when Detoxamin (EDTA) or other agents to address the biofilms are used, it then becomes possible to treat these infections with tetracyclines. Patients quickly show functional increases and decreases in pain other symptoms.
Summary
In chronic Lyme disease, it is often difficult to know which infections are actually responsible for the persistence of illness. However, in general terms, chronic intracellular infections that change the metabolism of cells and suppress mitochondrial and other functions will lead to patients remaining in a chronically ill state. Dr. Nicolson believes that these infections must be aggressively treated. "Similar to chronic Lyme disease, the current CDC or IDSA recommendations for short-term treatment of chronic infections are simply inadequate," he says.
Dr. Nicolson has found that there is a hierarchy of symptoms that resolve relatively quickly and those that resolve more slowly when treating Mycoplasma. Gut-associated phenomenon such as Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) often resolve quickly. Other systemic signs and symptoms can resolve in an intermediate period of time from many weeks to many months. Symptoms associated with the central and peripheral nervous systems such as neuropathy and pain often resolve much more slowly. Skin sensitivity and burning sensations may take much longer to resolve. Mycoplasma infections do invade nerves, and nerve-related symptoms are among the more difficult to resolve.
Dr. Nicolson states "We keep seeing the suppression of information on Mycoplasma and similar intracellular bacterial infections. The world of Mycoplasma parallels the world of chronic Lyme disease in terms of the politics involved. Physicians are being persecuted by their medical boards as a result of bad information. It is important for us to do everything within our power to get rid of harmful, erroneous information about these diseases. Both Mycoplasma and Borrelia have been manipulated for biological weapons purposes and as a result, both are politically incorrect to discuss, work on, or do anything about. Until this changes, we won't see any real progress."
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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2017 - 09:16am PT
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It's widespread knowledge that the US Army spends a huge amount of money and resources looking into pathogens, virus's and such as a weapon and testing these things out. Ostensibly to protect us against the other side doing it to us. This story doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 27, 2017 - 01:00pm PT
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unfortunately Couchmaster, its probably just the tip of the iceberg..
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donald perry
Trad climber
kearny, NJ
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Aug 27, 2017 - 09:04am PT
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Dear Fellow Climbers,
It came to mind that I need to share something with you all.
I had been regularity going climbing, trying to complete a climb called Survival of The Fittest in Lost City for a few years now, perhaps you know the climb? The history with that is I gradually progressed until I pulled a muscle and had to take a break for a while. Then something happened to my left shoulder, and I needed to take a long break again. In order to get up it I really need to exercise every other day (and never every day), and if I do not warm up or if my cartilage is not being conditioned progressively along at the same pace as my muscles then I blow out a joint and need to start over again. It is an exact science. These last few months I had a problem trying to motivate myself to do pull ups on a regular basis, and do those regular workouts. Every other day I need to spend a lot of time trying to get up past a level that would bring me to the top of the climb, climbing or exercising twice a week would lead to a plateau quickly. And breaking the different plateaus later I would encounter was always very dangerous because if I was not carful and did not warm up for 1/2 hour I could get an injury. I suppose it would have helped if I had gone to see holistic doctor. But I had reached a point where I knew what to do, it was just implementing in now that I had a problem doing. Perhaps my dopamine levels were low.
Much time previously I had worn out my hip joint, but I was able to grow that back by taking a rest in a lazyboy for almost a year and thereafter using crutches for another year or so, and having to drive laying down, that was all back starting in 2010
Now let me tell you all, almost every time I go climbing I find a tick. But there was one time where I did check not carefully enough and I discovered it starting in my back at 2:00 PM. I do not understand why I had become so less vigilant about checking for ticks, to check over and over, why did I assume I could relax that?, I should have given my own protocol more respect. I was very tired, annoyed, frustrated, and just went to bed on this one night. It's funny that I can remember it so clearly but I could not remember to check 3 times for ticks? I had let my guard down this one time, but I did not give it much thought since it was only on me for 2 hours. I took the tick and put it in a plastic bag inside my clam lid Mason jar I use for ticks, I have a hell of a lot of ticks in there! Whatever it was, I was involved in some very stupid idiotic ways of thinking. I was not paying enough attention to my surroundings. I did not stop myself and say, "I need to really stop what I am doing and consider why checking for ticks is important", why have I have I not done this again? If I had taken a shower before I went to bed that would have been the cure, but I was too tired, I just threw myself into bed concerned about other seemingly more important things.
Around 3 or 4 weeks later I had been in the woods with a hell of a lot of annoying gnats spiders and bugs, and I assumed I had a spider bite. I went to the Gunks, late of course as what was kind of typical for these days, and had no drive to do anything which was worse. I talked to some climbers I knew, Jim Munson and Frank. It had suddenly it occurred to me, holy sh#t perhaps this not a spider bite from a few days ago, it could be from that tick bite from a few weeks ago! Calling around on the phone got me nowhere, eventually I found my only alternative was a walk in clinic. But I still needed more answers about the antibiotics vs the holistic approaches and what is going on with that.
After a day or so I came to the conclusion that I had found the right answers, enough in order to know how to proceed.
The antibiotics are failing these days, there are new strains of the diseases that are resistant, so to me in seemed logical to cross those off the list sinse that would only give me setbacks with the phony artificial immune system.
So, first of all it needs to be studied so it can be understood that Microwaves from your phone and where you live give lyme the weakness it needs to gain a permanent foot hold. You have get out of the microwaves which run at a very specific wave among many that could be used, which in fact are perfect for interfering with your body's ability to realize it is night time and for your immune system to then work correctly.
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And in this way we now have a lyme epidemic. And also the waves cause calmative damage as well. And by the way, when you are in a car the phone runs off the wave chart to get thorough your car to the towers, putting it on speaker phone there does nothing.
You have to find places where there could be mold and remove yourself or the mold. I found some outside my window in the wood chipps around the pool and under some tool boxes.
The aluminum we breathe that comes out of the chemtrials talked about in the United Nations (it is no longer a theory) helps re-direct the spirochetes to places where they would otherwise not go to ... or something like that. Anyway the aluminum makes it worse, go get yours out.
You have to HAVE TO listen to the Dr Dietrich Klinghardt MD PhD videos on youtube to understand what I am talking about.
Now I realize that some of you guys will argue before unbiased watching Dr Dietrich Klinghardt. Let me say now that when you do that that means that you (not me) are stupid. And like, I really need to explain why one needs to read or watch something in order to comment on it is pathetic, that eliminates you from being able to give an opinion. I feel like adding some more insults here in preparation for these kinds of fool-trolls, but I will reserve it for later. But let me just say that if you assume you know enough already without reading more, you are probably a doctor or some other kind of idiot who is unteachable because you can only regurgitate information like a parrot and have been brain washed to realize you have no business thinking.
So there you have it. Over all I look at this as a new opportunity and adventure, as I suspect that the reason why I had lost the beautiful clarity I had in my 20's as I walked through nature and my now persistent dullness, my hip, knee, back, and neck problems in the past over the last 30 years may had had to do with lyme anyway. We shall see. I think I already had some kind of spirokete problem that I was combating. So this may be an opportunity to once and for all make some progress. Perhaps some people will learn not to use the cell phone all day, which is makes sperm stupid (proven fact) and some good things will come out of all this, good thing the Dr. Rawls protocol and pills that just arrived for $250.
In the mean time I have pressure in my head from my immune system working, a slight temperature, and my 2" bulls eye is going all over the place, it is no longer a bulls eye but a big red spot, and there are now two other spots. It is interesting had these doctors really have not developed a way to see you immediately, I need to wait here like an idiot.
I am not sure I wrote everything correct here, so when I read it again for the 10th time I might find a way to change it.
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A one hour and thirty minute 1:35:01 youtube lecture by Dr. Klinghardt. Here is a sample:
Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt about Lyme Disease
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXqxRfG0jk
00:00 Well welcome everyone today we are honored to have with us Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt who I've known for many years. Actually, one of my earliest mentors and help me understand some of the foundations of natural health and how one can apply it to facilitate and accelerate healing. And I would have to first start off first start off the interview with a warning though. That if you become a fan of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt the key thing is to know is that things will change. So he is always on the leading edge. I am always amazed when I come bank to him how much more he has learned. When you think you have learned it all you find out there is a magnitude more to learn. That is what he is going to enlighten us on today. And an important topic which is Lyme disease. Even some experts belive that everyone has been exposed to Lyme disease and may have it in some way shape form or another. But clearly there are those who have it who are severely disabled and crippled and Dr. Klinghardt has actually suffered with this himself, so as a result of this he had a personal passion, and really has been on the journey he is going to share with us and really tell us how he has evolved in treatments and strategies and protocols and what he has learned from decades, many decades of clinical experience that has been found to be effective. So welcome back Dr. Klinghardt. Thank you Joe, it is good seeing you again. Yes indeed, likewise. So um we are here today to talk about the Lyme disease. So why don't you start because your just a phenomenal lecturer. You one of the comments I failed to mention, when you do attend one of your lectures, it just seems like you can go, I don't know if anyone is more skilled to go on and on for hours and hours and hours without notes or power points, you're just a wealth of knowledge, its just shocking, so lets start where ever you feel is appropriate and I will dialog and interject with some questions as we go along. The issue with Lyme disease, the only thing that is new with Lyme disease is that many of us have realized that pretty much all chronic illnesses in one way or another way the outcome of chronic infection or at least contributed to by chronic infection. Even 15 years ago most of us thought that chronic illnesses are the outcome of toxicity of environmental toxicity and everything related to that. But we got a little wiser and realized that the issues go far deeper. And what has been astounding to us when we look at illnesses that are well established in the conventional medical field, like Parkinson, Multiple Scorsese or chronic fatigue all turning out to be chronic infections with this particular expression of it. And, right at the center of that it is really the discovery of Lyme disease and when I say Lyme disease I like to use the definition of the new Lyme disease, that means it is a new illness transferred by insect but please hear me here, we are not calling it anymore tick born disease because we know that mosquitoes can carry Lyme disease and many other serious infections. Um, and we know that spiders, flees, mites, can carry these illnesses. So to limit it to tick born disease as it was until recently has been too narrow a focus. And I like to take a big look at this whole thing. In modern genetics when we break down our genome we find entire long sequences in there that come out of the insect kingdom, that come out of the bacteria kingdom, the virus kingdom, that have actually become part of the human genome. What that basically means is that we are discovering a new theory of evolution. That these chronic infections were always an attempt of evolution to mingle with our genes, expand them to change them and once and a while something good comes out of it. ......skipping ahead to the dirty smoke radiation ... 33:50 And so we suspect that these creatures have been with us for a very long time. And what really has changed is change in external factors, that is the toxicity in us, in the air and in the food and the amalgam fillings, root canals the food residues, all the things you talk about in your website, the vaccines. There is one big aspect and one we know for sure because the research on it, the electro smoke, the ambient _ in the house the growth the _ of the microbe lives naturally in us and we know that the amount of microwave exposure from the cell phone radiation is near doubling now every two years. The amount to the expose is doubling in near catastrophic amounts. Where one of my primary treatments for Lyme disease is to get into treatment is to get into protective clothing that shields them from incoming microwaves, which shields the bedside, we turn off the wireless internet at home, we put shielding paint on the houses, and that has been a more successful strategy in treating Lyme disease and to get people neurologically well then any of the antibiotics and any of the microbial compounds, that has been more successful then every single strategy. And so I know it is wrong for us to overly emphasize on the microbe. We need to know what is driving the microbe. They were historically happily living with us symbiotically, they may have always caused mild damage, we do not know, or a premature aging, we do not know for sure. But this virulence that is appearing now is a new phenomenon and it could only be explained with two things, 1.) A mutation of the spirochete or one of the yet invisible co-infections or opportunistic infections FD Pfizer suspects protozoa infections ... we do not know for sure. But we know for sure that the exposure to the electrostatic fields that we are undergoing right now is insane it's driving the growth of the . Several Russian resources on that have shown that. Well thank you for that explanation, and it sounds like from your prospective that one of the most important things you can do, and it makes sense, and clearly the world is coming, the scientific community through the new publications research is validating the position we have held for many years, decades, that the exposure to these electrostatic fields are particularly harmful and they are causing serious problems down the road, many of which we are not seeing, I mean you certainly witnessing some of them now with the individuals who are struggling now with the Lyme disease, but there are millions, tens of millions, maybe even more who similarity to many smokers now who with a chronic exposure to smoke and come with cancers down the road 10 20 30 years later. So I thank you for that perspective and ....37:28
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donald perry
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kearny, NJ
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I am feeling good enough to go climbing but I have a stuffy head. My brain feels like it has peanut butter all over it. I am selling my house and Toyota tacoma, too much wifi in those.
Update: "I am selling my house". Not sure why I wrote that, I got no house to sell, makes no sense.
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