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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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running out of pro that'll fit the last 20feet to a belay is my recurring nightmare. not guns
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Watching your beginner trad partner place an entire rack of cams 1/2 through a pitch, then finish, really scares me.
At least there was a tree :-)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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OMG, I should have stocked up long ago. I'll never be able to protect myself with just 2 guns and wrist rocket. I better start boobie trapping the property... and all roads leading in and out of Tahoe... just in case Obama and Pelosi come for the 2 I have.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Donini,
That dubious demographic guess is weak.
I shot with over 90 different shooters last weekend.
Average cost of a single rifle $4500 before adding a $3,800 scope on it.
These individuals are not the low end white male you describe.
These are professionals, executives, crane operators, mechanics, state workers, SWAT team members, welders a etc. a common thread among them is that they all excel at their trade/profession.
These people own many guns... More than I expect u would approve of. Many have concealed carry permits too.
None of them are felons (bet SuperTopo population can't claim that).
I would also speculate that the average home ammo supply of these people is 30,000 rounds.... And they have no intention of ever shooting a person.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.
The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.
According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings.
When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The woman fled to a neighbor’s home with her children. The woman and her two children were not injured.
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The injured intruder stumbled out of the home and attempted to flee in his car. However, he crashed into a wooded area and collapsed in a neighbor’s driveway, according to WSB-TV.
The suspect was arrested at the scene. He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.
The victim’s husband said he’s proud of his wife.
http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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But why make fun of them? There are tons of people out there who stock up on stuff. Twinkies for instance.
I'm sure if something you truly loved was going to disappear you'd put some effort into acquiring as much as you can.
At least money is being spent, that's a good sign. Lol.
edit:
HOLY SH*T. 5 .38's to the face/neck and managed to stumble/drive/live? Wtf?
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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guns don't kill people, ammo does.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Pencils don't write, lead does.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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for the millions wacked out on illegal drugs and those taking daily doses of doctor prescribed selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors
(SSRI anti-depression pills) rational thinking aint an option.
I cannot disagree with your comment about SSRI's strongly enough. Seven years ago I was diagnosed with an endogenous depression. At the time I was completely incapacitated. A prescription for Effexor restored my life. I cannot overstate the need for those suffering from depression to seek medical attention particularly if, like me, there was no apparent external cause.
While I seriously doubt that medication is a good solution for short-term exogenous depressive episodes, some of us really did have our brain chemistry seriously out-of-whack. While I know Effexor does not work for everyone, it has done wonders for me.
Blaming Big Pharma for horrendous crimes perpetrated by unbalanced individuals strikes me as grossly unfair, but implying that SSRI's enhance mental instability is flat-out wrong, at least if the patient has a good neurologist, or other qualified physician, overseeing the regimen, and other necessary professional assistance (e.g. a therapist) in the loop as well.
While I doubt anything short of better firearms security would have stopped the Sandy Hook tragedy, I'm concerned that those who want to pin the blame on pharmaceutical manufacturers will deter people who would greatly benefit from treatment from seeking competent professional help.
John
I'm glad they help you John, as I'm sure they help many people.
The problem I have is the fact that sometimes they don't and the companies have admitted that people kill themselves because of it.
It's not a stretch to say a chemical capable of inducing suicide can induce homicide. But what would that label to their sales?
The links are clear and the most glaring omission of prescription meds in ALL of the recent mass killings is the biggest smoking gun... so to speak.
As you know, mental illness in this country is a stigma. None of the recent killers had a violent or psychotic history. All made it to 20+ years of age and were productive members of society.
What's needed is an investigation into this, and every single media outlet just dances around this. It's too easy to focus on the guns since they polarize and scare people.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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I wouldn't say they were products of society...
Just because you haven't had a record or been incarcerated doesn't meant you're a product of society.
Jesus H Bomb. Christ you're a moron.
He slaughtered the teachers before they could do anything.
What are a bunch of 30lb 6 year olds gonna do even if they weren't afraid to a 160lb adult?
It's not like they were trained in all bum rushing the attacker. THEY WERE 6.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Fair enough, fear, although the warnings on Effexor clearly warn against possible suicide. Since when I was first diagnosed I also had suicidal ideations (to quote my neurologist), she, my regular physician, and my therapist all watched me very carefully for the first few weeks, and still monitor me rather more regularly than my overall state of health would otherwise require.
As for labeling, that is an FDA issue. I've certainly seen MSM coverage of the link between prescription anti-depressants, including SSRI's, and suicide, particularly among young patients.
I personally think the emphasis on guns this time around simply reflects the preferences of the MSM generally, and represents their hope that they can affect the public's mood to reflect the MSM's political preference, in much the same way that, for instance, they always report a budget "cut" as a drop from what was requested, rather than a reduction from the previous year's spending.
John
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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One figure I've read points to the average human being capable of covering around 75 feet in 3 seconds. I don't know how big those classrooms were, but that would seem sufficient to mount a charge in close quarters.
Ah, the argument split.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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You're saying a group of 6 year olds and a couple of teachers should have charged a gunmen who randomly came into their room and started slaughtering them.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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You're saying a group of 6 year olds and a couple of teachers should have charged a gunmen who randomly came into their room and started slaughtering them.
No, clearly they all should have had weapons and all started firing.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Of course 30 rounders make less time between reloading over 10 rounders.
You're an angry person. You should go see someone.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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One figure I've read points to the average human being capable of covering around 75 feet in 3 seconds. I don't know how big those classrooms were, but that would seem sufficient to mount a charge in close quarters. Not that I think charging shooters is a realistic strategy, but denying that high capacity rounds make killing more efficient is pretty weak argumentation.
"The average human running speed is 17 mph. This translates to 24.93 feet per second, or 149.58 in 6 seconds."
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-feet-can-an-average-person-run-in-6-seconds
Gotta call BS on that, for two reasons.
First, there is no way in a hell an average person can run 17 mph, whihc is somewhat faster than a near world-class runner runs the mile (4 minute mile is 15 mph). Yes, the mile is not a sprint, but those guys are flying. Maybe an average young, trained athlete (one that requires some running but not a sprinter, who could of course go faster) could go that fast, but not an average person. Not even close.
Second, this disregards getting up to speed, which is huge. You don't start out running full speed. So just taking how many feet you can run in 6 seconds and thinking you can run half that in 3 seconds is wrong.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Don't disagree with Jebuz, he'll call you names to make himself feel better.
My responsibilities? My convictions?
What the f*ck are you talking about?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Shut the f*#k up about charging people dude. Holy sh*t.
You should go to Newtown and offer Crossfit classes. Your advertisement could be:
"TRAINS 6 YEAR OLDS TO CHARGE MASS SHOOTERS"
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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YES, 30 rounders are more effective for killing masses amounts of people in timely manner.
YES, it takes extra time to reload 2 more times if you are carrying 10 round mags.
NO, charging the shooter wouldn't have changed a thing.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Yes agreed Jeebus, but that wont slow down the crazies. that is my point.
How can you say it won't slow down the crazies, when most of the mass shootings are committed by guns that were legally acquired by either the shooter or a relative? Also, keep in mind, most guns used in crimes are bought legally and resold. Look up straw sales. What kind of person refuses to acknowledge that stricter regulations would at least slow that down?
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