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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:19am PT
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thanks for the very coherent and informative posts
i have flown my Comanche 250 across the Sierras several times this year, and i like to go across at max legal VFR altitude with oxygen, and avoiding the highest terrain, and using 'flight following'
even so the controllers usually can't see me all the way on radar, leaving a lot of terrain to cover if i have to look for someplace to put it down
and i always mentally keep in mind where i will go if the engine comes apart, usually several miles from my current position
but i am a fair weather flyer and wouldn't touch the weather we have been having lately
after a few dicey flights in my younger years, i made myself a deal to never take off just because i needed to be somewhere
i always drive to the airport prepared to drive instead of fly
i only fly if every thing looks right and feels right
leaving it safe in the hanger for now, and leaving me making some long drives
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:33am PT
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i've had helicopters stick me up into the mountains on searches in weather when i was quite happy to get out of the bird
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Dec 21, 2012 - 06:26am PT
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hey there say, ron, and vegasclimber...
wow, as to this:
The problem is, especially when you are in the mountains, things like ridges and hills can cause you to drop off the radar before you actually hit the ground. While in a lot of cases the impact site is usually fairly close to the area they lost sight of you, there are a lot of variables like glide ratio and stuff that can affect where the plane actually
thans for sharing ... and for all that other info, too...
helps me learn...
i do know they break up awful bad, :(
have seen some sad pics... :(
i remember there was a girl in highschool, whose sister
peggy beckland (think it was) went down in someones plane...
not sure who survived, but they were so thankful that when the plane
was found, that she LIVED through it... was a hard time, 'til it was found...
i had always wondered if anyone even knew where it went down, at all, or not... (as to my questions above, etc)...
course, i know about the forest, snow, and all that, i just
really needed all this radar info stuff...
thanks again, ron and vegasclimber...
:)
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Dec 22, 2012 - 03:34am PT
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The idea of it actually crashing near North Dome, and somebody being able to crawl down to the Valley would be classic.
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jopay
climber
so.il
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Dec 22, 2012 - 07:03am PT
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The one I am working on right now is finding the crash site of Dean Martin Jr. Even with all the military crash records and some photos, I still don't have a good enough location to actually launch on it. Does that mean he was never found? I remember when that happened, he had been in a film featuring tennis, I thought he would have a film career.
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Dec 22, 2012 - 09:20am PT
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Up in smoke?
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Dec 22, 2012 - 09:25am PT
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CFIT in bad wx.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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Dec 22, 2012 - 10:33am PT
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The idea of it actually crashing near North Dome, and somebody being able to crawl down to the Valley would be classic.
Hopefully they know the way down The NDG.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
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No, he was recovered, along with his WSO. The site has not been visited much since, and not by anyone in the established wreck chasing community.
The problem is that right now I have three possible locations, all of which are in really bad terrain. Plus I still have to get permission from the Indian tribe that owns that part of the mountain.
I figure late next spring I will give it a go. Crag, if you want to add any intel for me privately it would be appreciated.
Back to topic, I'm thinking the search is done with this storm. Not much sense going back out afterwards with the snow pack unfortunately.
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jewedlaw
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Was this ever resolved? Did they find the plane?
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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We just found a plane that went down in the late 70's - deep in the forest - while looking for lost mushroom pickers.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Planes are usually kinda small. Sometimes, you have to be right on top of them.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I wonder how often this happens? A party randomly finds a wreck or lost hiker that others spent countless hours purposely searching for?
If you include car wrecks and dumped bodies that happens several times a year in the San Gabriels.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Klimmer knows where there is a wrecked alien spacecraft on the moon!
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Reilly wrote:
More interestingly the latest design only activates 81-83% of the time!
Interesting number. Do you have a source? I'm not questioning the veracity of the statement but I'd like to read about it. I carry two 406 MHz gps enabled EPIRBs when offshore on the boat these days.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Do you test it monthly? Make sure that you replace that $300.00 battery on schedule, and you test it regularly, you're good to go.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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The batteries are replaced by the manufacturer according to schedule. What protocol calls for testing the beacons monthly? None that I know of.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Do you test it monthly? Make sure that you replace that $300.00 battery on schedule, and you test it regularly, you're good to go
Umm, sure. IF it survives the crash at all. The last ones I saw were made of plastic, and slamming into the rock at 300+ MPH has a tendency to overwhelm the structural integrity of said plastic. I've seen the cases crack from being dropped off a bench onto concrete for that matter.
Like they said upthread, they are well known for going off in a hard landing, but they rarely activate in crashes. And when they do, they are damned hard to triangulate, especially in the mountains.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Which is why I am interested in Reilly's source. I'd like to learn about the modality of failure. Boats are very different than planes, obviously.
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