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gonamok
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dont make me come over there
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Dec 17, 2012 - 03:46am PT
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Gun control looks good on paper, but all it will really do is take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Criminals dont care about the law, so the ones most likely to commit mayhem with a firearm will have guns while law abiding citizens lose theirs. Why would we want the good guys to have to face an armed intruder with pepper spray?
Its too late to take guns away, they are here to stay like it or not. What needs to be addressed is the mental illness that afflicts these shooters. Dont fear guns. Fear guns in the hands of mentally ill cowards.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 17, 2012 - 03:53am PT
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I watched the President on Fox News. I wonder if the 34% of conservative republicans who believe Obama is a Muslim (2012 Pew research) would be willing to give Obama an academy award for his performance as a sincere christian tonight. (and if he's an atheist, he deserves an oscar as well)
Peace
Karl
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 17, 2012 - 10:37am PT
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Gun control looks good on paper, but all it will really do is take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
Gun control doesn't mean taking all guns away, it's far more nuanced than that.
Broad generalizations like that are simply incorrect.
OUR President is handling this crisis honorably, I tip my cap to him.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 17, 2012 - 10:42am PT
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Brandon, gun advocates use generalizations, sound bites and fear mongering.....nuanced, reasoned arguments are beyond them.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 17, 2012 - 10:45am PT
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Gun advocates, or gun control advocates?
It seems to me that both camps wield the sword of fear mongering to serve their purposes.
The answer, IMHO, is in the middle.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 17, 2012 - 10:47am PT
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That's your agenda deluded interpretation, Ron.
Only Romney said no new legislation, despite passing a gun control law in MA.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 17, 2012 - 10:50am PT
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Ron.....don't hold your breath and don't loose too much sleep- gun controls don't mean the feds are going to come to your door at midnight and confiscate your stash.
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Grampa
climber
from SoCal
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Dec 17, 2012 - 10:53am PT
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I did not vote for our current President, but I must say President Obama did a very good job comforting that community and the nation.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 17, 2012 - 11:09am PT
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LOL, he did not.
He did say it was not a plan for 2012.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 17, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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"Only Romney said no new legislation, despite passing a gun control law in MA."
Yet more, irrefutable, self-evident proof that Republicans are Wrong about Everything.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 17, 2012 - 11:29am PT
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Read the article again Ron, this time slowly.
Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced
You have very poor reading comprehension, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not read it at all.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 17, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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Everybody's proud of their president...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 17, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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Yes Reilly-the dear leader. I wonder what percentage of the population in NK are "conditioned" enough to blindly worship him?
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 17, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
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obama's fine, and guns are flourishing.
meanwhile evil gets a pass
maybe harvard was on to something
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 17, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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He is an honorable man and a damn fine President.
Rong why do you keep opening your mouth your foot is already sufficiently wedged in.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 17, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
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Ron, I doubt that they "feared" their guns....it's possible that they just didn't like them anymore.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Dec 17, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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I too was moved and proud to hear my president speak compassionately and with conviction about the tragedy. Anyone who can not see and hear his heart for America is either deaf or a racist.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 17, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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Count me among those proud of President Obama and his response to this tragedy. I think most posters on this board know that I am no Democrat, but I think his response was appropriate, reflected the mood of the nation, and showed leadership.
I resent, though, the idea that those hostile to his response are racist. The anti-gun lobby has added a lot of gun regulation into this event that could be read into the President's remarks, even though he said something far more profound. If there's hostility, it's probably to those who would read this case -- occurring in a state known for having some of the toughest firearm regulation in the country -- as a call for more firearms regulation.
As the President noted, this issue is far more complex than that. The attempt to transform this moment into a mere anti-firearm, let's-change-the-Second-Amendment moment misses the significance, nuance and difficulty of this issue. As the President said, we must change. How about listening to one another, giving those with whom we disagree credit for intelligence, and working through, rather than ignoring, Constitutional provisions?
John
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 17, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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hey,heres a thought,base said"we cant round up the mentally ill",why not draft legislation that says all guns must have liability insurance.if the gun does any criminal harm,its consequences would be covered by insurance, at least financially .let the insurance companies decide if you can own a gun,let the free market decide.i have to have liability insurance to work,and drive in my state.not for my gun though.insurance companies would screen potential owners,determine rates and effectively manage ownership.how could you folks on the right stop free enterprise?is it unconstitutional?more so than auto or contractors insurance?this would certainly curb alot of the nut jobs out there and maybe satisfy the 70% that do not own guns,and we all would not have to pay for the 30% that play guns. w/obama not a worshiper
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