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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What have we gotten in return for the extra added expense of California government mandated special blends of gasoline that the citizens of every other state in the country don't have?
Anything?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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corniss..lift tickets are cheap in saudi arabia...you should move there...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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cleaner air
wanna give us a difficult question?
Chaz would you like to tackle the real problem or at least look at it for a minute.
The main driver in fuel cost in North America today is the commodities market.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Cleaner air?
Cleaner than, say, Oregon?
I don't think so.
Certainly not eighty-five cents a gallon cleaner.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends
lol cmon chaz ..
and hell that Oregon air is a nasty cesspool compared to Antarctic air...
about 10cents cleaner actually.. the rest of the additional cost of California gas is due to direct gas tax and a temporary bump due to 3 refinery and one pipeline issue with a little gouging on top for decoration.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"Cleaner than california air would be if they were not using the blends"
Why then would Governor Brown be calling for switching to the *winter blend* of gas immediately, instead of waiting until winter to make the switch?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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To save 5 to 10 cents a gallon for consumers. It is one of the few actions he has the authority to take that can make a quick difference of any type.
Now back on Topic .. Do you like giving commodities brokers $1.50 to $2.00 per every gallon you put in your car?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Since I don't much like getting buried by BS I figured I'd repost my excellent explanation again
I saw a "Gas was $1.69 a gallon when Obama took office" bumper sticker a couple of days ago. I was going to say something to the guy whose car it was on but i assumed he was retarded if he believed the sticker so didn't bother..
Actually it was.
When Bush crashed the commodities market.
About 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of fuel today is due to rampant inflationary Wall Street commodities investment.
You can clearly see that the major cost driver for fuel prices has little to do with supply and demand.
Since the low point in 2008 demand has only gone up 8% while fuel cost have gone up over 130%
Infact for the first time in over 10 years this summer production actually exceeded demand. Which of course should be reducing cost.
Like being ripped off by Wall Street?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Give the speculators a reason to expect lower oil prices - such as the expectation of substantially increased supply, and the elimination of the idiotic "California only" gas blend mandate.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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They have no reason to lower prices no matter what chaz.. they are making craptons of cash by gaming the system.
They expect higher prices due to one reason only. Higher prices make them more money and they want more money.
When market prices become unhinged from any reasonable predictions of supply and demand it is a gamed system. While regulation is not preferable to a well function supply/demand market it is much preferable to a gamed market.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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As long as the government is hostile to oil production, only a fool would expect greater supply and lower prices.
Smart money speculators are obviously betting Obama get's re-elected, and we're paying for it every time we buy gas.
And why wouldn't they? Seems like easy money to me.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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tasmanians pay probably the lowest petrol price on Earth.
because they won't stand for no monopolistic sheeit!
not to scale
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Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?
Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
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who gives a flying fcuk about gas prices on a climbing forum?
Why do I bother writing this crap to a bunch of halfwits with nothing better to do than get on lame ass threads and go on about nothing?
Where's my crack pipe and what that weird sh#t crawling up my arm?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Tripod...those are some valid questions...Please hold...
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Cosmic...Wake up and sniff my anal vapors...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 10, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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At this point probably cheaper to huff glue. I did see some regular ST posters leaving the craft's store. Seemed a little wobbley, but did tend to lean right.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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Nov 26, 2013 - 09:58am PT
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$2.91 on the way to work this morning,Might have to go fill up the big ford and drive it instead of the "GEO"
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 26, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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3.18$ @ costco Las Vegas 11/7/13
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 26, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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It is really depressing that there is about a $1 differential in gas prices between California and some other states.
Paid $2.69 in Oaklahoma recently. $3.69 back in California.
One of the reasons for this was that the fuel markets were more strongly segregated under Clinton.
It is basically no longer allowed to truck fuel from outside your regional market. Sometimes it would actually be profitable to truck the fuel an extra 1000 miles if it were allowed.
There are a lot of anti-consumer reasons we pay Way more than is necessary for our Fuel.
You republicans who supposedly hate taxes should look into it. You are paying a huge defacto tax to wall street.
Something along the lines of a 100Billion dollar a year drag on the economy.
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