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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:07am PT
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try jotting down the dots and dashes. maybe the earth is trying to send you a message.
let's see, three dots makes an S, three dashes for an O ...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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I used to hear pulsing low frequency sounds a lot when I was outside in relative peace and quiet. I haven't noticed this at all for a few years, and forgot about it 'till I saw this thread.
Two things happened in 2007 which might offer an explanation. I had an AVM removed from inside my brain (AVMs have been known to cause hearing anomalies) and I quit spending 4 to 5 days a week working in a recording studio.
we have instruments that can detect a spectrum of sounds and wave lengths that is hard to imagine. Your ear is only capable of picking up a ridiculously small fraction of those wave lengths- we cant hear microwaves, radio waves, etc, etc, etc..So anything your ear could possibly pick up can be picked up probably millions of times easier by instruments.
FWIW limited bandwidth is not the only reason we cannot hear radio and microwave frequencies. These forms of radiation are not sound. Electromagnetic radiation even at frequencies comparable to audio frequencies will not be detectable by a human ear. They cannot cause the eardrum to vibrate because there is not compression and rarefaction (movement) of air.
But as you say, are the low frequency sounds real or is the OP's hearing apparatus or brain the source? In my case either exposure to loud music or an anomaly in my brain were the cause - the sounds I heard were never there.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2012 - 11:41am PT
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Sound is vibration of the air molecules. It behaves as a wave. Sound can also travel through other materials, such as water or even wood or a steel beam. When we hear sound through a wall, for example, the vibrating air in the other room has enough energy to cause the wall to vibrate, which in turn transmits some of the remaining energy into the air in your room in the form of vibration. The vibrating air molecules cause your eardrum and inner ear parts to vibrate in kind. The rest is neurology.
Radio waves are electromagnetic radiation which are energy in a different form.
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MH2
climber
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Sep 13, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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One example of low-frequency sound in nature is the drumming call of the ruffed grouse. These can go below 40 Hz. Oddly, the literature mentions that low-frequency sounds attenuate less over distance than higher frequencies 'in complex environments' (trees?), yet at the same time points out that people often over-estimate the distance to ruffed grouse drumming, not realizing that the bird is only a few feet from them.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
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yet at the same time points out that people often over-estimate the distance to ruffed grouse drumming, not realizing that the bird is only a few feet from them.
You touch on an interesting point. Humans are not as good at locating the distance and direction of lower frequency sounds when compared to mid frequencies. A lot of this has to do with the way we process sounds we hear to determine the direction of the source. The speed of sound in air varies somewhat due to temp, humidity and barometric pressure / elevation etc., but lets say it is about 770 mph. A sound which comes to the listener from a direction other than straight ahead or behind will arrive at one ear before the other. Our brain is capable of sorting this delay, one ear to the other, to tell where the sound came from. Other factors such as relative loudness (secondary) and ambience play a role as well for example when a sound is from directly behind.
Anyway in the case of very low frequencies the increased length of the wave renders our ability to distinguish the arrival time at each ear less effective and suddenly we cannot tell where the grouse is. This is also why we can get away with putting the subwoofer off to the side of the room and it still sounds like its part of the stereo.
At low enough frequencies we can hear the sound but we are not good at telling where it is coming from or from how far away.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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Dingus, are you deaf in one ear then?
from the link:
[1] ELF/VLF radio waves (300 Hz– 30 kHz) are difficult
to generate with practical antennae, because of their
extraordinarily long (10 – 1000 km) wavelengths
Relatively, audio wavelengths are of course much shorter due to their slow speed. A 100 Hz audio wave has a length of app. 3.5 meters.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 13, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
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hey there say, my mom about 40? years back, was talking to me about this, as, she'd hear humming a night many times when trying to go to sleep...
could have been ear thing from the aspirin, or who knows...
but then, too, we were in san jose and the huge powerline deal/things
were all around too...
then, me, in the last few years at times just have the ear noise
from back when i had bad teeth trouble and took aspirin a lot...
yep, as everyone say, very interesings...
one gal that i shared this with mention:
power dams...
i am asking my twin buddies and will see what esle they have to share, shoulod be interesting, as well, as, there is two of them...
but then, they are identical...
but then again, they are mirror identicals, so
who know who they process stuff ;))
edit:
as to the 'possible' powerdam, they DID both hear that hum,
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Sep 13, 2012 - 07:48pm PT
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High on Shasta in an approaching storm a party of 6 of us all heard low-pitch, pulsating humming--later crackling. We suspected electrical charges forming, and we beat a quick retreat. It probably doesn't apply to your situation--especially since your phenomena continues to reproduce itself.
I've taken a 30-day private retreat in the Santa Cruz mountains a couple of years ago and can't say I heard anything like you describe. (I'm pretty sure I have tinnitus.)
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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Thank you very much to all the contributors to this thread! I have already learned more than I might have imagined from several of you.
I am very familiar with many of the sounds of nature, and have spent many years learning to recognize bird calls, but still get surprises from time to time. The latest one was last weekend near Mt Shasta when a Ruffed Grouse opened up at dawn right near my tent. I didn't have any trouble locating him, because after a while of sounding off, he jumped up and flew right through the campsite area!!
Note that some of the masters of audio location are the owls, who have demonstrated catching mice in a darkened lab with all light sources obscured. They have ears located similar to ours on the sides of their heads, but with one ear lower than the other for audio locating in the vertical plane as well as the horizontal. This also explains why some birds and animals will turn their head sideways to better locate a sound source.
I have certainly considered there might be some sort of damage to my receptors and have experimented extensively for some number of years to try and isolate that possibility. I wouldn't have troubled the members of this forum if I thought a medical condition was a likely consideration. I have also consulted medical practitioners and been given a clean bill of health. Note that I am capable of carrying an Airman's Class I Medical Certificate. I also have several years of experience in designing and building audio studios and labs and have worked as a sound technician and editor on motion pictures. So I may be more attuned to unusual sounds than most would be.
The sounds that inspired this thread do not at all seem like anything generated in nature. The sounds are very simple notes that could easily be generated in a lab with an audio generator or electronic key board. There are few sounds in nature that are a steady monotone sine wave.
Incidentally I am hearing the sounds in question here at my house right now, a low monotone hum slowly pulsing on and off in an irregular sequence.
Earlier today I was at another rather quiet location several miles south of Santa Cruz, an hour's drive from my house. I was appreciating the absence of this low hum. Then I began hearing it again, but only in brief pulses that were widely spaced by several minutes in between them.
As mentioned above, the pattern and/or tone that I hear varies notably at different locations and times, by pitch, patterns, and timing. At a given location and period of time, it seems to follow a simple steady pattern with little variation.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 13, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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Elephants 'hear' low-freq 'sound' sent by other elephants 20 or more miles
away through the fatty deposits in the soles of their feet.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
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Earlier today I had occasion to mention this thread and share some of the information with a friend who is a very knowledgeable medical doctor. She was immediately very interested and was already very familiar with Schumann resonances as a result of the medical problems of one of her long term patients.
It happens that the man in question owned a home in Bonny Doon, a small town in the Santa Cruz Mountains up on the first main ridge above the Pacific Ocean, on Empire Grade. He was also hearing these low humming sounds and attributed them to drilling machines at the nearby Bonny Doon Limestone and Shale Quarries. Apparently he did not consider the large Lockheed rocket testing facility located further up the same ridge of the mountains, which was one of my first guesses until I began hearing similar sounds in other parts of the world.
This man became so obsessed and stressed by these sounds that he couldn't sleep and had constant head aches. Then his heart became arrhythmic and he needed a pace maker. As a result he sold the house and moved his family.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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Elephants 'hear' low-freq 'sound' sent by other elephants 20 or more miles away through the fatty deposits in the soles of their feet.
Deer are able to sense through the ground in a similar fashion. If you look at their feet, they have a hard hoof rim and a soft inner callus through which they can sense vibrations in the ground. 'Heel pounding' city-walking humans can be sensed at a considerable distance.
Deer warn each other of danger by slowly stamping one front foot until all in the group get the message, then they retreat or bolt all together.
I once sat on a hill top watching deer retreat from a hunter who was 'stalking' into the wind towards them from nearly a mile away. The deer were long gone by the time he got anywhere near where they had been grazing.
Researchers use hydrophones (often adapted from their original military use in tracking submarines) to ascertain the exact location of the origin of whale noises.[citation needed] Their methods allow them also to detect how far through an ocean a sound travels. Research by Dr. Christopher Clark of Cornell University conducted using military data showed that whale noises travel for thousands of kilometers.[23] As well as providing information about song production, the data allows researchers to follow the migratory path of whales throughout the "singing" (mating) season. One important finding is that whales in a process called the Lombard effect adjust their song to compensate for background noise pollution.[24] Moreover, there is evidence that Blue Whales stop producing foraging D calls once a mid-frequency sonar is activated, even though the sonar frequency range (1–8 kHz) far exceeds their sound production range (25–100 Hz).[2]
Prior to the introduction of human noise production, Clark says the noises may have traveled right from one side of an ocean to the other, agreeing with a thirty-year-old concept blaming large-scale shipping.[23] His research indicates that ambient noise from boats is doubling with each decade.[23] This has the effect of reducing the range at which whale noises can be heard. Environmentalists fear that such boat activity is putting undue stress on the animals as well as making it difficult to find a mate.[23]
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:10pm PT
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Perhaps you are hearing your own circulatory and/or nervous system . . . these are not silent mechanisms.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2012 - 02:30am PT
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Thanks GraniteClimber! Good articles.
So it really is possible to learn things on ST without a big exchange of insults...Thanks to all!
Wiki
The Hum is a generic name for a series of phenomena involving a persistent and invasive low-frequency humming noise not audible to all people. Hums have been reported in various geographical locations. In some cases, a source has been located. A Hum on the Big Island of Hawaii, typically related to volcanic action, is heard in locations dozens of miles apart. The Hum is most often described as sounding somewhat like a distant idling diesel engine. Typically, the Hum is difficult to detect with microphones, and its source and nature are hard to localize.
The Hum is sometimes prefixed with the name of a locality where the problem has been particularly publicized: e.g., the "Bristol Hum", the "Taos Hum", or the "Bondi Hum".[1]
Description
The essential element that defines the Hum is what is perceived as a persistent low-frequency sound, often described as being comparable to that of a distant diesel engine idling, or to some similar low-pitched sound for which obvious sources (e.g., household appliances, traffic noise, etc.) have been ruled out.
Other elements seem to be significantly associated with the Hum, being reported by an important proportion of hearers, but not by all of them. Many people hear the Hum only, or much more, inside buildings as compared with outdoors. Many also perceive vibrations that can be felt through the body. Earplugs are reported as not decreasing the Hum.[2]
On November 15, 2006, Dr. Tom Moir of the Massey University in Auckland, New Zealand made a recording of the Auckland Hum and has published it on the university's website.[3][4] The captured hum's power spectral density peaks at a frequency of 56 hertz.[5] In 2009, the head of audiology at Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge, Dr David Baguley, said that he believed people's problems with hum were based on the physical world about one-third of the time and the other two-thirds stemmed from people focusing too keenly on innocuous background sounds.[6]
History
In Britain, the most famous example was the Bristol hum that made headlines in the late 1970s.[6] It was during the 1990s that the Hum phenomenon began to be reported in North America and to be known to the American public, when a study by the University of New Mexico and the complaints from many citizens living near the town of Taos, New Mexico, caught the attention of the media. However, in the 1970s and 1980s, a similar phenomenon had been the object of complaints from citizens, of media reports and of studies. It is difficult to tell if the Hum reported in those earlier cases and the Hum that began to be increasingly reported in North America in the 1990s should be considered identical or of different natures.[citation needed]
On June 9, 2011, it was reported that residents of the village of Woodland, England were experiencing a hum that had already lasted for over two months.[7]
This phenomenon has also been reported since 2010 throughout Windsor and Essex County in Ontario, Canada,[8] where some residents claim it to be correlated with the time of day, or week, while others seem unaffected or unable to hear it.[9] On April 20, 2012 the Canadian Government decided to officially investigate. Current suspicions are that the noise originates on Zug Island [10]
The Hum has also frustrated residents in County Kerry, Ireland.[11] This led to it being raised in the Dáil by Michael Healy-Rae, who personally heard The Hum.[12] The phenomenon was also recorded in 2012 in Seattle.[13]
BBC News:
A village in Durham is the latest place to report a strange vibrating noise - known as "the hum". Why is it such a mystery?
According to sufferers, it is as if someone has parked next to your house and left the engine running. The Hum is a mystery low frequency noise, a phenomenon that has been reported across Britain, North America and Australia in the past four decades.
There is a range of theories from farm or factory machinery to conspiracy theories such as flying saucers. And yet, "the hum" remains an unsolved case.
Woodland, a village in county Durham, is the latest place to fall victim to the noise. Some residents have reported hearing a buzzing noise like electricity or a car engine that won't go away.
"It sounds like an overhead power line with this constant humming buzz," says Kevin Fail, a 53 year-old bathroom installer who lives in the village.
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The answer
Despite research, no-one has conclusively proved the source of The Hum, although farm or factory machinery is most commonly cited
Not everyone appears to be able to hear it
Recording equipment is sometimes unable to pick it up
He said that he and his wife hear it in bed, downstairs in the house and outside in the garden, but some residents have heard nothing. Fail believes it may have something to do with a disused mine shaft in their garden.
Durham County Council says it is planning to send someone with sound monitoring equipment to the village to investigate.
There are "crackpot theories" doing the rounds about UFOs, and Fail says his daughter, whose hobby is ghost hunting, hasn't ruled out the possibility that the mine is haunted. But unlike some residents, Fail says he's not worried. "This has been happening all over the world for decades. Whatever's out there is not going to hurt you."
Another resident of the village said they had received media interest from all over the world.
"The hum" is an international phenomenon. The beach front neighborhood of Bondi in Sydney was afflicted by it two years ago. One local resident told Australia's Sunday Telegraph at the time: "It sends people around here crazy, all you can do is put music on to block it out. Some people leave fans on.''
One case that was partially solved was in Kokomo, Indiana. The source of "the hum" was located to a fan and a compressor on an industrial site, and yet even after these were turned off some people complained the noise had not stopped.
The Largs Hum in Scotland and Bristol's mystery noise in the 1970s are two of Britain's most famous cases. Often the source of the noise is never found but disappears unexpectedly.
The truth is no-one really knows the cause of "the hum", says Geoff Leventhall, a noise and vibration consultant who has advised the government on the issue.
A part of BBC News Magazine, Who, What, Why? aims to answer questions behind the headlines
Despite years working in the field, he has never heard the hum himself and has only rarely been able to pick it up on recording equipment. In one case, his recording equipment picked up a 200 hertz signal at a complainant's house that was detectable in the lab. He managed to trace the buzz to a neighbor's central heating. But this, he says, was an exception.
"Some experts say if you can't measure a noise the presumption is tinnitus," he says. "It all gets rather fraught because people say there's nothing wrong with my hearing."
"The hum" is sometimes heard in cities but is more likely to be audible in the countryside and at night, when there is less background noise. Most complainants are people aged 50-60. The most plausible causes are industrial compressors and fans or farm machinery, Leventhall says.
In the 1970s he worked with the News of the World on their campaign to discover the mystery behind "the hum". They received 800 letters from readers complaining of the phenomenon - some of them citing UFOs. But no specific explanations emerged.
In 2009, Dr David Baguley, head of audiology at Addenbrooke's Hospital told the BBC that in about two thirds of cases no external noise could be found. He believed that sufferers' hearing had become over-sensitive. "It becomes a vicious cycle. The more people focus on the noise, the more anxious and fearful they get, the more the body responds by amplifying the sound, and that causes even more upset and distress."
In the end, the solution for sufferers may be to adopt a more accepting mindset, Leventhall argues. He prepared a report for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs that suggested cognitive behavior therapy was effective in treating the symptoms. "It's a question of whether you tense up to the noise or are relaxed about it. The CBT was shown to work, by helping people to take a different attitude to it."
As for the source of "the hum", don't expect a breakthrough anytime soon, he says.
"It's been a mystery for 40 years so it may well remain one for a lot longer."
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Sep 14, 2012 - 08:17am PT
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Even in the quietest places you are only a few direct miles from the potential roar of the upper atmosphere jet stream.
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Sep 14, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
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Toward the beginning of this thread, Ed said that if a hum exists, it could / should be able to be measured.
I don't want to dredge-up old arguments from past threads about whether all of existence is material (and all of non-existence is immaterial), but my personal practice this morning got me thinking about this thread. I sit in contemplation underground in a closed room in total darkness with my eyes open for 35 minutes before daybreak, and there is almost always a period during my contemplation when thoughts and recognizable images leave me, and I get a colored, pulsating, somewhat repeating patterned (but not from time to time), fractal lightshow that's difficult to describe or to represent artistically. It's simply been a curiosity.
Where do those come from? Why are they patterned at all? How do I see any light at all in total darkness? Why doesn't the lightshow continue or are not available at any time to me in that situation? If they are purely subjective, do they really exist? Am I "making them up?" Am I taking random inputs or errant sense data and intrinsically patterning them myself?
What's doing what?
The analytical, scientific approach to reality distills salient factors in phenomena in order to assign causality. In doing so, it pares away what are considered minor or insignificant for parsimony (Occam's Razor) and articulation (modelling) purposes. I'd argue that much tends to get overlooked or categorized as meaningless, but which is not.
In general, do we find true patterns, do we make patterns, or is it a dance?
Is Tom hearing "some thing," is he making something out of errant / random sense data, or is it some kind of interaction between the two? If it is #2 or #3, are either "real?" And if so, in what sense?
(Just some musings on my part.)
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
OR
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Sep 14, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
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Interesting thread Tom C.. thought I'd mention I once guided a young couple who had been involved in religious sect/movement dedicated to meditating upon the "vibrations /ringing " in the atmosphere. The summit of Mt. Shasta was identified somehow as a prime location for this. Sorry I don't know more about it.
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