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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 18, 2006 - 11:58pm PT
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I like to joke around but I'm for you 110%.
My parents died many years ago. I would like to have known them better.
Two weeks ago I met with my stepmom in New York and for the first time she told me what happened the night my dad died 21 years ago.
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lightweight_yank
Trad climber
Sparx
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May 19, 2006 - 12:46am PT
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Guys - Daryl's daughter just turned seventeen, so let's keep the crude comments to a minimum. Besides, I'd hate to be you if Daryl (or his friends) ever caught you talking like that to his little girl (even though he was hardly an example in this regard - sigh.)
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Loomis
climber
Praha, Ceska Republika
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May 19, 2006 - 01:03am PT
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Wonder, yea he is...
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Wonder
climber
WA
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May 19, 2006 - 01:11am PT
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Well, that one more miracle!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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May 19, 2006 - 02:58am PT
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Well, Wonder and Janelle...one of the things about those days was that I was married with kids and a full time job at the time, and Daryl and many others didn't. This was around the time that he started regularly heading alone over to the mainland to Squamish & Yosemite (mainly), and although we still did stuff together, he had other partners for his best new Squamish routes - unfortunately, I'm not sure what BITD refers to. As far as my rapidly fading memories of those days go he climbed a pile of new wall routes inluding Pan Granitic Frogman, Son of Pan, Negro Lesbian (right beside the Black Dyke for those unfamiliar with either Squamish or his sense of humour), and Getting Down on the Brown. I could easily be missing others, but I remember him being quite pleased with himself for the first ascent of Up from the Skies, which had a reputation for being a particularly hairy route, and I believe that he did that one with Eric Weinstein, another Squamish legend, also sadly no longer with us.
I could easily check some of this stuff out if I had my collection of Squamish guidebooks by various authors easily available. In my opinion, the best of the bunch was written by a fellow named Gordie Smaill, who shared a similarly irreverent attitude with Daryl towards climbing and gives a very real sense of the the tone of the times back then. I digress. Smaill was the author who first included the bulk of Daryl's new route activities, but just about any book published since 1976(?) should have every one of his significant ascents listed. The only other thing that may be of interest that I can quickly remember was his first free ascent of the Split Pillar on Grand Wall (with Eric), which at the time was an amazing feat.
Hope this info is of some use and accurate, to boot.
P.S. (to Wonder) - the next time I steal a car & if the cops are chasing me through Qualicum at the time, I'll be sure to wave to your wife on the way through.
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lightweight_yank
Trad climber
Sparx
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May 19, 2006 - 03:03am PT
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I thought Qualicum was somewhere in San Diego ;-)
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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May 19, 2006 - 03:11am PT
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Dear lightweight yank: I am certain that your Qualicum near San Diego is every bit as lovely as ours.
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lightweight_yank
Trad climber
Sparx
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May 19, 2006 - 03:43am PT
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Dear Stewie, I'm positive that it isn't, but by now I have consumed enough ETOH that I am unable to discern the difference...thanks for the clarification. Great to see you at the Chieftain 2 years ago...
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 19, 2006 - 03:50am PT
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Stewart,
BITD = Back In The Day
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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May 19, 2006 - 11:44am PT
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Off topic (just for a second) but when and how did Eric Weinstein die?? Somehow I missed that.
JL
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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May 19, 2006 - 12:32pm PT
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Janelle,
Clearly you can see that Daryl was well loved and enmeshed in a very tight knit yet widespread community. I wasn't close, but I did spend time with him and I can say he had a well earned character. He was mischieveous, fun, daring and all that good stuff we applaud as climbers.
This is a very heartfelt situation; we benefited directly from time spent with him and you missed out on that. I sincerely hope that we as a group are filling in some of the blanks, as well as contributing to your esteem of your father. He had a good heart and was a good man.
Best,
Roy.
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2006 - 12:51pm PT
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haha well the people who knew ym dad say i look like him and the people who knew my mom growing up say i look like her...and fromt he pictures of my mom i look so much like here but i have like my dads jaw and eyes so i dunno. a bit of both i suppose.
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lightweight_yank
Trad climber
Sparx
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May 19, 2006 - 02:50pm PT
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I never met Eric Weinstein - but Daryl often spoke of him. When I was in Squamish for Daryl's memorial, someone told me that Eric had been dignosed with terminal cancer back in the '80s, and that he just walked off into the wilderness of Northern California to die alone. I don't remember who told me this, but at the time I considered it a reliable source.
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johnx01
Trad climber
UK
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May 19, 2006 - 06:00pm PT
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Hats off to you guys
I respect this group so much in the way you have handled this delicate situaion. My wife is a child therapist and I showed her this thread she has known climbers all her life and we were both touched by what you all wrote in a clear, supportive and unambigous way.
Daryl, take care, your dad sounded great. Adults are a bit weird.
Take care of your brother(blokes are fragile in a way girls aren't).
Cheers John
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jack herer
climber
chico, ca
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May 19, 2006 - 06:04pm PT
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daryl hattens daughter- i dont know if youve seeked out enough information about your father, but i know there are a lot of local canadian/bc climbers over at www.cascadeclimbers.com message boards
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johnx01
Trad climber
UK
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May 19, 2006 - 06:16pm PT
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Apologies Janelle
I got your first name wrong, I hope you didn't get upset
 t/c John
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2006 - 06:55pm PT
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hahah thats alright. Yes im soo thankful that everyone responded and are helping me out so much i cant believe this is happening. I didnt think people would believe me so i was skeptical about trying it but i figured...what do i have to lose. THANKYOU all SOO much.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
Near a mountain, CA
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May 20, 2006 - 01:32am PT
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Zardoz,
Your not female... The world is a very different place when you are a girl.
Before you tell me the world is actually safe, check this site out...
http://www.wavaw.ca/informed_stats.php
This is a fact: One in four Canadian women will be sexually assaulted during her lifetime.
(This statistic does not cover physical assaults, murder, and disappearances.)
I don't understand why a guy would bother to lock his house but at the same time won't walk his female acquaintance to the car.
The sad truth is that she is more likely to be assaulted then the house.
Everyone should participate on making sure their women are safe.
Janelle, always use that beautiful head of yours,
take care...
Anastasia
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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May 20, 2006 - 02:39am PT
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Dear Clint Cummins and Lightweight Yank: Thanks for the translation - now how about ETOH? Is that chemical shorthand for your legendary Everclear, whose counterpart up here is only available by uh, permanently borrowing a supply from chemistry labs and hospitals?
LightweightYank - I have little doubt that we met a the Memorial. By any chance were you the guy that I gave the empty Spam can to with the message scratched on it by Daryl during our comic opera assault on Zodiac Wall? About the only things I clearly remembered about that evenings revelry were that I gave the artifact to a Yank, and that I promised myself that I would never drink that much alcohol again, ever.
A note for Anastasia - I agree with most of your comments, and I have had close relationships with women who have been the victims of all kinds of violence, have heard their stories and felt some of their pain and anger. With respect, nevertheless, I find it a little bit irritating that you seem to imply that women are the only victims of violence - innocent men also get raped, abused, and/or physically assaulted. EVERY guy that I have known well enough to discuss this stuff with has at one point or another been a victim of one or more of the above at one point or another in his life, but they lose macho points for talking about it publicly. How about trying to say that it is wrong for ANY human being to be abused by others? It might cut down on some of the admittedly cheap shots that have been taken at you in this forum, which is supposed to be about Daryl and Janelle.
As for your personal safety, Janelle - be assured that there are probably a few hundred big, tough climbers around who would be happy to tear a potential assailant to pieces for you, if required.
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