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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Yeah it is. most know it’s not love between them. It’s all about the party for Bill and his wife 2016 so some folks may see the endorsement as a bit phony. This could hurt him some. Myself I don’t think it helped or hurt him. 99% of the people have made up their minds in this election at this time. The debates should be good but with little impact on the out come.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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The Boss
Neither he nor any other President is my boss. I suppose that would be different were I in the military. But as a civilian, no way.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Well said Riley.
Clinton's speech was a home run. Between he and Michelle last night they really showed brilliant speaking skills. Appealed to many and with FACTS and not rhetoric.
Obama to bring it home Thursday night.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I was disappointed Bill didn't do any Monica Jokes...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Clinton reminded me never to buy a cigar that isn't sealed in celophane.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Especially if delivered by Humidor 1.
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tarek
climber
berkeley
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Apparently, Clinton sold a lot of bull here. Tony Lewis called him the worst president in history on civil liberties. He laid the groundwork for GWB to be even worse (aided by Dems in Congress). And anyone who thinks he or Obama are "orators" is like someone who's eaten at McDonalds their whole life calling something good food. Get yourself a box set of great speeches. BC is a great communicator, though, like Reagan. As attributed to PT Barnum, there's a sucker...
Here's part of a fact check by Matt Apuzzo and Tom Raum of AP:
CLINTON: Clinton suggested that Obama's health care law is keeping health care costs in check.
"For the last two years, health care spending has grown under 4 percent, for the first time in 50 years. So, are we all better off because President Obama fought for it and passed it? You bet we are."
THE FACTS: That's wishful thinking at best. The nation's total health care tab has been growing at historically low rates, but most experts attribute that to continued uncertainty over the economy, not to Obama's health care law.
Two of the main cost-control measures in Obama's law — a powerful board to keep Medicare spending manageable and a tax on high cost health insurance plans — have yet to take effect.
Under the law, Medicare has launched dozens of experiments aimed at providing quality care for lower cost, but most of those are still in their infancy and measurable results have yet to be obtained. Former administration officials say the law deserves at least part of the credit for easing health care inflation, but even they acknowledge that the lackluster economy is playing a major role.
Meanwhile, people insured through the workplace by and large have seen little relief from rising premiums and cost shifts. According to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, the average premium for job-based family coverage rose from $13,375 in 2009 when Obama took office to $15,073 in 2011. During the same period, the average share paid by employees rose from $3,515 to $4,129.
While those premium increases cannot be blamed on the health care law — as Republicans try to do — neither can Democrats claim credit for breaking the back of health care inflation.
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CLINTON: "I know many Americans are still angry and frustrated with the economy. ... I experienced the same thing in 1994 and early 1995. Our policies were working but most people didn't feel it yet. By 1996, the economy was roaring, halfway through the longest peacetime expansion in American history."
THE FACTS: Clinton is counting on voters to recall the 1990s wistfully and to cast a vote for Obama in hopes of replicating those days in a second term. But Clinton leaves out the abrupt downward turn the economy took near the end of his own second term and the role his policies played in the setting the stage for the historic financial meltdown of 2008.
While the economy and markets experienced a record expansion for most of the rest of Clinton's two-term presidency, at the start of 2000, there were troubling signs. Then-Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned in February 2000 that "we are entering a period of considerable turbulence in financial markets."
Sure enough, the tech-heavy Nasdaq composite stock index and the Dow Jones industrial average both peaked in March 2000. The bursting of the high-tech bubble dragged down the economy and markets through the rest of the year. From September 2000 to January 2001 when Clinton left office, the Nasdaq dropped 46 percent. Even now, in 2012, the Nasdaq has not returned to its 2000 peak. By March 2001, the economy toppled into recession.
Also, as president, Clinton supported the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law dating back to the Great Depression that separated banking from high-risk financial speculation. Robert Rubin, who had been Clinton's first treasury secretary, helped broker the final deal on Capitol Hill that enabled the repeal legislation to pass. Some financial historians say the repeal of the law paved the way for banks to invest in risky investments like mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations that played a role in the 2008 financial meltdown.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Wooohooo! Go Bill!
Can't wait to see what the President has to say tonight.
The alternative universe that i the republitard reality.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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My beef with Obama is that he doesn't bring the troops home
Um, yeah....maybe tell that to all the kids who are NO LONGER IN IRAQ.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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From the American Conservative magazine, about Big Dog's speech:
He gave the sort of speech that Ryanmaniacs might have once imagined that Ryan would deliver and the sort that some Romney supporters still imagine Romney is capable of giving. Romney-Ryan was supposed to be the presidential ticket of the “data-driven” manager and his budget wonk sidekick, and between the absence of any significant policy discussion last week and what happened tonight that has lost all credibility.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I heard a great one on the radio this morning.
"Watching Clinton was like watching a pitcher, throwing strike after strike, with his eyes closed, from center field....."
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Riley: I wished he had been a little more honest concerning his own mistakes with NAFTA...
And his lack of support for the striker replacement bill. Two knives in the back of American workers.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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I've lost all interest in the election now. I'm convinced the U.S. has passed a point of no return. The corruption is systemic, from top to bottom, any candidate will sell their country downriver for a campaign donation. Everything you hear is lies.
The debt is so high, it can never be repaid, no one wants to put the U.S. economy on a sound footing. Won't happen in my lifetime.
Bill Clintons speech last night, a case in point. Compelling. Brilliant. Meaningless.
For one thing, fact is, Obesity/Type 2 Diabetes will bankrupt Medicare. He didn't even mention it. Nope, Paul Ryan is the enemy of Medicare. So it's like the Johnnie Cochran argument. Someone spits in a drink, you don't filter it out, you throw it all out. Someone lies in a speech - you throw it all out.
Meanwhile, Obama recently put up the old Bush canard of WMD. Threatening to go into Syria to get the WMD. Fact is, the Bush invasion of Iraq was a logical extension of the Clinton policy. Same people behind the scenes making the same misguided policies. Meanwhile, the debt doubles under Bush and triples under Obama. In two or three years, China will have a bigger economy.
Unemployment will stay historically high, the low interest rates the government mandates, are a passive tax on capital, capital has fled the country. Manufacturing is overseas now. Birth rates are declining so you have fewer people to pay off the Ponzi scheme of inflated benefits.
I still believe Obama will be re-elected, but he's a very weak leader, it will be another wasted 4 years as the problems are exacerbated. If things collapse again. his legacy may be to be even more hated than Bush 2. Hard to believe, but the basic policies are the same, Obama is actually George Ws Third Term.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jody,
You wouldn't know a hypocrite if he was staring you in the mirror.
And just as you don't have the capacity to use logic or discern the difference between a liberal, a socialist or a communist, likewise you can't see the difference between this thread that centers on a real event that happened last night, which is worth discussing, and the purulence you discharge into the forum when you stroke yourself.
Who cares where Obama was born?!
Jody
climber
35/53k
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 3, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
The problem is where he lives now.
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WBraun
climber
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John Duffield -- "Same people behind the scenes making the same misguided policies."
Yep, just on and on like this.
So the core realization of the broad spectrum of American people are oblivious to this.
Americans are like window shoppers .......
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tarek
climber
berkeley
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gf,
The 1%?
There's a long answer there, see Rubin, Robert. Heh.
Here's a snippet from one of Ryan Lizza's latest in The New Yorker:
In December, Obama negotiated a compromise tax deal with Republicans—a two-year extension of all the Bush-era tax cuts in return for some economic stimulus—that many House Democrats deplored. Liberals complained about the deal, much as Obama had criticized Clinton before 2008. What had happened to boldness? On December 10th, Clinton met alone with Obama in the Oval Office for seventy minutes, one of their longest sessions to date. Afterward, they sauntered into the briefing room, surprising reporters. Clinton gave a forceful defense of the tax deal, which helped quell the liberal uprising.
Remember, as many have pointed out, Obama did not have to make this deal. It was a terrible play.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/10/120910fa_fact_lizza#ixzz25jep5xZ0
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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As gf kindly reminded you all, I don't actually have television, not that that's any secret. And not that anyone actually reads most of the posts on these threads, and notices. Anyway, I'm counting on you guys for real time streaming reports on Obama's barnburner speech tonight, which should be starting fairly soon. Minute by minute, please. And out of consideration, maybe we could keep the "Obama speech" discussion to this and the "Republicans are vermin" thread? We don't need another thread, do we?
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wstmrnclmr
Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2012 - 08:56pm PT
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Mighty Hiker...You can listen to it live on KQED.Org
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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More than 20 years and people still forget that Slick Willey's greatest talent is talking you into getting fukt by him!
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