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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I disagree Ron.
Tami is right.
Not everyone can handle things as well as others and war experiences vary widely.
I fear that we will see more blowback from our wars of empire.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Tami, Very well stated.
Collateral damage from a much bigger picture. Something to be aware of for sure.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Tami, as always, is effing spot-on. Which makes me recall---shifting through my vast New Yorker cartoons folder----- this one:
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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The truth is, 1 in say, 100,000 vets will do something like this. Like the guy the other day who killed 7 on base, or the other stories in the news every couple months of a vet shooting people.
The number is almost the same in the general population of the US.
The military knows this, and knows it will be cheaper to just shut down these kind of stories in the news than try and make their numbers better than the civilian numbers.
I lived in Guam and watched how they treated my friends once they became 'broken'. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to spend money on significant PTSD rehab. My buddy broke his back and was in terrible constant pain after his 5th tour in Iraq. He got discharged with $245/mo pension. His 4 sons won't be enlisting now. Cost the army more in the long run.
The way we did dental exams before signing off on everyone to go to Iraq was scary, I was hesitant to say that yes, that tooth may cause pain in the next year, because they would just pull it out. I felt like a cowboy with cattle rather than a dentist. This is how they were treated BEFORE they were used up.
Sorry Tami, the US doesn't have the social programs we have in Canada, and the last ones to get them would be their military.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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the apparently dead assailant suspect
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Scum, PTSD or knott.
Edit: I am beyond sick and tired of hearing excuses for these types of muderous cretins.
SCUM, plain and simple.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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What are the odds that this tragedy will be linked to some SSRI he was prescribed for depression after his wife got a restraining order on him last summer?
And he stopped taking them over the Holidays for whatever reason and
his brain suffers the inevitable chemical malfunction and creates this horror.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Lame excuse. HE created the horror.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Compassionate Canadians and pinkos aside.... it ain't like there is a shortage of kooks running around, military or otherwise. Thin the herd. In situations like this, I ask myself, "what would Bluering do?"
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Off the topic, but I gotta ask: did someone actually just cut and paste a 10,000 word Wikipedia article?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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WWBD? Emit a lot of hot air, perhaps.
There seems insufficient information to do more than mentally speculate on why the murderer behaved as he did.
ps Good post by Bruce, next.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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I was reading a couple days back where there are up to 800 Vets with PTSD concentrated in out-patient programs in the Yuba City-Marysville area east of Sacramento. Only anecdotal, of course, but one way many of them seem to be coping is using crank. You certainly do pay a life-long price for a few seconds of trauma during a battle when time and space distortions are commonplace. I do have personal knowledge of Vietnam Vet living in the Mid-West who has many long-term issues related to his killing a bunch of Vietcong with his side-arm from his patrol boat on the Mekong River Delta in 1966. Now, years later, he's constantly depressed and has strange back and hip problems that have left him partially paralyzed and basically immobile. His wife pushes him around in a wheelchair and he has a scooter. But the docs can't find anything really wrong with him, but he's in constant pain heavy 24/7.
People ask why you never hear about PTSD in WWI Vets, who certainly underwent major shelling in the trenches? But then you have to consider the 'Lost Generation' in Paris in the 1920s who took up dissolute lives and came to sad ends. There were also WWI German vets who joined the Friecorps and battled Communist gangs in the streets. Of course, later, the became National Socialists and formed the officer corp of the SS, and everyone knows how nice and mellow those guys were! If you want to engage in psycho-historical analysis, you might even say that WWII was really a result of PTSD acquired in the trenches during WWI. To stretch a point, you might conclude that the Guns of August 1914 are still echoing through the collective psyches of our soldiers a hundred years afterwards.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Riley
That is not so. You can be a caring person and still be emotionally stable. Just look at nurses and doctors who choose to work in war-sones because that is where they think they are most needed. You cannot see emotional stability/instability from the outer appearance. A strong looking jovial guy can be emotionally instable when he is put under a lot of pressure and a physically fragile woman can be emotionally stable. And stability/instability is not a question of choice. You do not choose to be stable or unstable. It is part of your personality. Though torture over time can bring about changes in the minds of even the most stable persons among us.
And Ron is not all wrong. The use of the diagniosis PTSD is much discussed among psychologists and many think it is used far too often. As diagnostic ability develops I think we will see a lot of distinction made within what is today diagnosed as PTSD.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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I ask myself, "what would Bluering do?"
pass out, drool, and give himself palsey?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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The use of drugs is as I know it usually contraindicated as a treatment for PTSD.
If the American treatment of PTSD is based on drugs I think something is terribly wrong.
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Paul S
Mountain climber
Portland, Or
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Breaking news on KOMO.
They "may have found the suspect" dead in a ditch.
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apogee
climber
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"did someone actually just cut and paste a 10,000 word Wikipedia article?"
Yes, they did.
Appreciate the effort, but a link would have been more than sufficient. Scrolling through all that is a pita.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Now the teachers don't throw erasers, they just have sex with you.
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