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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Dec 24, 2011 - 11:28am PT
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A stock and trigger are on my list, it will be a while though. Sure never thought it would be that much fun putting it all together and tuning.
Burly Bob
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 11:35am PT
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FWIW MH, that's a mighty wide brush you're painting with. Some of us gun nuts are only interested in punching holes in paper and others are history buffs that happen to collect military arms as curios. Neither has much of anything to do with the self defense/militia crowd, and we don't really care to be lumped in with them.
No offense intended, and have a very happy holiday. :-)
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Bobert
Trad climber
boulder, Colorado
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Dec 24, 2011 - 12:08pm PT
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We moved to Colorado when I was a kid in high school. I was hoping to go deer hunting and needed a rifle. There was this WWII 8mm Mauser in a local gun shop that was apparently brand new and I got it for $40. I had the gunsmith install a safety that would work with a scope (which I never could afford to buy) and I picked up a set-trigger from Stoeger which I thought was cool. I got a premium grade black walnut stock blank for Christmas and spent the rest of the winter carving, scraping, sanding, and oiling. It took untold hours, but it was fun and taught me some lessons in patience. When finished it was a thing of beauty. I don't think I ever shot any deer with it, but I got more fun per $ from it than just about anything I can remember.
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Johnny K.
climber
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Dec 24, 2011 - 05:36pm PT
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22LR by a long shot,it really is dirt cheap.
You know its cheap when the only spent brass in the trash bag is 22lr
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Dec 24, 2011 - 06:06pm PT
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Pretty much anything that goes BANG!
The Barrett is real fun.
My only problem with it, I had to re-arrange my internal organs every time I fired the thing...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 24, 2011 - 06:07pm PT
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Twelve rounds of .454 Casull - about twenty bucks - and I'm pretty much done shooting for the day.
Fifty rounds through the Mauser will do the same thing.
My .22s are used mostly as tools.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 06:18pm PT
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Shoot, Chaz... Along those lines there's my T/C Contender pistol chambered in 30-30Win with 16" barrel and no compensator. After a half dozen or so you're ready to call it a day, and if you're technique is poor it'll bounce the scope off the top of your head. Seems small now that they've got the Contender 2 out and chambered for even sillier things....
Anyway, always amuses me to keep a 1" group at 100 yards with a pistol (admittedly off a rest...)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2011 - 06:46pm PT
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Rox,
Well, shorts always cost more than longs.
JUST MORE ANTI-SHORT PREJUDICE!
rlf,
you got a Barrett?
Bet the campers love hearing that thing. lol
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 07:14pm PT
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Fair enough...
And what would you like to say to the Americans who fear guns, or the Americans (and unamericans) who simply think the common arguments for owning guns are based on a misunderstanding of reality?
Personally, I think the argument goes both ways. He's got a point, but only to a point. Specifically the equalization of the capability to inflict harm does not equalize the willingness to do harm. Case in point, two folks with guns where one tries to deescalate the situation (reason) and the other doesn't give a f*#k (force). Only one predictable outcome of that scenario, as you're back to the original equation.
But that discussion is far less interesting than whether the Enfield, SMLE, Mauser, Mosin Nagant or Springfield was the pinnacle of military arms (screw all that modern crap that's built by the lowest bidder....).
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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Dec 24, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
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.22lr gets my vote too. Fun, accurate enough to be interesting, no recoil, cheap, etc. I shot a whole lot of that in the last couple of years, made me a better shooter with my 30-06 for sure. Hard to fire a whole lot of 30-06 down the range both on the wallet and my shoulder (really light gun). Other stuff fun too, but best fun per $ is the .22 for me.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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Hey, good to see you Gilwad, happy holidays.
adatesman, your "two folks" scenario is the classic "don't carry it if you aren't ready use it" plot.
On the other hand if Mr. Violent believes you ready willing and able sometimes a weapon can actually deter violence.
But why do the anti-gunners have to come out of the woodwork even on a thread about just having fun?
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Dec 24, 2011 - 08:31pm PT
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Mighty Hiker, ya ever hear this quote?
"It's often better to keep ones mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt".
Think about it...
Stzzo, here's the problem. I will never ever willingly give up my freedom and rights in trade for security. Especially false security like gun restrictions.
But that discussion is far less interesting than whether the Enfield, SMLE, Mauser, Mosin Nagant or Springfield was the pinnacle of military arms (screw all that modern crap that's built by the lowest bidder....).
I suppose it depends on the time frame in question. If we're talking of all time then we need to narrow down the specifics, otherwise we're in for a long debate. For example, let me throw another contender in there. The 1886/93 Lebel which had a revolutionary design in both rifle and ordinance. Though it was arguably out dated rather quickly, it had a service life of about 70 years. Define pinnacle.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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Still have the stainless 181 series Mini 14 that cost $169.99
Great fun.
Interesting that if the Mini 14 had been produced 5 years earlier it likely would have been adopted over the M16 as our service rifle.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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Howdy Ron,
adatesman, your "two folks" scenario is the classic "don't carry it if you aren't ready use it" plot.
That it is. I've always had a bit of an issue with the classic version, as it elicits a gut "Sure, I'm man enough" reaction without prompting thought as to the ramifications of putting ones self in such a situation. I think turning it a bit like this helps expose that hole.
On the other hand if Mr. Violent believes you ready willing and able sometimes a weapon can actually deter violence.
Agreed, but when you come right down to it if Mr Violent means you harm there's pretty much nothing you can do about it because you'll only become aware of it as he's doing it. Once I realized this I let the CCW lapse (only really had it because I was in a must-issue state and it got me around the waiting period for purchases), got a large dog and made evacuation plans for the house. Let them take what they want; it's all cataloged and that's what insurance is for. Well, unless it's zombies... in which case there will be ample time to get to the safe for the .22. ;-)
But why do the anti-gunners have to come out of the woodwork even on a thread about just having fun?
No idea.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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Howdy Salamanizer,
Define pinnacle.
I'm afraid the one for that discussion is my buddy Brad, not me (he has at least one example of almost all of the WWI/WWII bolt guns in his cabinet, plus some other interesting stuff). Quite the history buff, that one. Anyway, I was just trying to steer the thread back in that direction since it touched on it a couple times and is far more interesting than the why-do-we-allow-guns arguement. :-)
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Dec 24, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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^^^^^^^^
How so Ron??? I love my Mini and all, but I'd think it would need major upgrading to bring it up to military specs as a service rifle.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'd have to put another vote in for the .22Lr.
My 10/22 is probably approaching the 1,000,000 mark and other than misfires, it has never skipped a beat. I put nearly 20 bricks through it last year and only cleaned it once. Good as new.
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adatesman
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philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 09:13pm PT
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How so Ron??? I love my Mini and all, but I'd think it would need major upgrading to bring it up to military specs as a service rifle.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'd be interested in hearing as well. Been ages since I've read about the adoption of the M16, but I don't recall ever hearing about a downsized M14 ever being floated.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2011 - 10:14pm PT
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That was because the M16 was already adopted and had become accepted after troops learned to keep them clean.
I read in AR that had the more conventional appearing Mini been around it would have been adopted rather than something that looked like "a kid's BB gun".
Just finished watching the remake of Straw Dogs.
Appropriate.
An essentially non-violent man forced to choose between sticking to his ethic or surviving.
A good one for Anders.
So, adatesman, if you wait until Mr. Violent offers proof you have waited a moment too long.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Dec 24, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
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True, which is why I prefer to deny Mr Violent the opportunity in the first place by simply removing myself the moment he becomes Mr Not Comfertabpe To Be Around. Having a gun on one's person can give a false sense of security, which in turn can lead to staying in situations that otherwise would have been avoided. And if Mr Violent is going to be violent anyway, what's the point of provoking him/being an easy target? The bigger, and IMO more interesting discussion, is why Mr Violent is allowed in society in the first place as the same scenario games out regardless of whether you're talking about guns, knives, bats, sticks, rocks... But as I mentioned earlier, I'd rather read about the relative merits of the Springfield et al. :-)
Btw, getting late here on the east coast so likely won't check in on this until Monday (so please pardon the hit&run and have a good Xmas if that's your thing :-) )
Btw x2- just occurred to me that what I've said about my own personal choices could be taken as wanting to extend them to everyone else.... That's absolutely not the case. I'll discuss pros and cons, but ultimately aside from my own self the decision regarding guns/carrying is not mine to make. Oddly this is actually what got me out of firearms and into airguns in the backyard.... WAY too many city folk with no clue showing up at the public range and doing unsafe things. I won't tell them they have no business being there, but damned if I'm going to take one in the ass from some yahoo with no concept of what a clear firing line is (seriously... Saw people start firing at the 15 yard pistol targets while others were swapping targets on the 100 yard line on a shared range.)
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Dec 24, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
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If you are talking fun this thing went a long way.
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