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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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GK,
You do know that two out of the three people in that photo are dead, yikes. . .d
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 14, 2011 - 11:18pm PT
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We live in the most prosperous nation on the planet and we cannot properly care for our citizens . . . universal healthcare should have been instituted in the 1980's.
This is ridiculous!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Sep 14, 2011 - 11:28pm PT
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Yer gonna die fer sure, Dean!
Seriously hope it works out, Bro. Or at least that you and your ankle reach an accommodation.
Positive vibes.
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Sep 14, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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Dean,
Hoping for speedy recovery for you.
I urge everyone to go to stonemasterpress.com and buy copies of Dean's great book, Stonenudes, for yourself and friends. It's the perfect gift and will help out a visionary artist and chronicler of our tribe.
Rick
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 14, 2011 - 11:44pm PT
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I think of my climbing career oscillating between two poles: having health insurance and not (more often the latter). I once had to eat $2,000 in medical bills when uninsured, which of course occurred when I was relatively poor.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:07am PT
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Hope you get better Bullwinkle!!!
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It was asked how to pay for national healthcare.
Currently approximately 50 million americans are without healthcare. Based on a population of 300 million,
that is 16.7 percent of Americans.
Also currently most reports say health insurance management cost 10 to 25 percent while medicare's management cost runs about 3 percent.
so if we went to a single payer system like Canada has, we could take the management cost that health insurers currently charge, and apply it towards it towards making certain everyone has health coverage.
If you also consider that most doctors offices have multiple people doing the billing, and that a single payer system would make this much easier, then you could have savings there which could be applied to doctors making more under the current medicare system, since many doctors currently think medicare does not pay enough.
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Per Fatties question.. how do we decide what level of coverage to give?
We do it the same way medicare currently does, or the same way any health insurance company does.
then, for those who aren't satisfied that enough things are covered under medicare, we allow private insurance to provide enhanced coverage.
The portion of the bill that is covered by medicare, is covered by medicare. If you want anything else, then you have to pay for it.
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Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2011 - 12:10am PT
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Wow, I'm truly touched by all of this, this Tribe is AMAZING. I posted as a way to maybe work thur this, to get some advice and I'm getting soooo much more than I even dreamed of.
Who woulda thought that a bunch of DirtBag Climbers have so much Heart and Soul, well I woulda thought that but then I've always been a dreamer. . .df
Edit, nice one RJ, I don't want money, you all have given me the one thing money can't buy. . .Hope
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Sep 15, 2011 - 01:35am PT
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If that Dr screws up your ability to shoot nekkid women on the rocks, it'll be 4 in the head and one in the ass for him!!!!
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 15, 2011 - 01:46am PT
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Those are some gnarly feet, Jaybro!
Good luck healing up, Dean.
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Gabe
climber
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Sep 15, 2011 - 01:56am PT
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Only a Stone Master could have survived this. Heal well bro! It would have killed a normal guy.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:09am PT
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Hey Dean
Thanks for sharing... I take your advice to heart. I honestly do. I hope to see you around this season in JT, hopefully climbing... good, positive people will have wonderful experiences, yours is on its way.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:25am PT
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I'm sure some of your model shoots would make for great material. I was thinking about the photo(s) taken on the Sherwin Plateau in particular(?). Surely there's a story there somewhere. Would recommend this - if you haven't already ...
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Sep 15, 2011 - 03:16am PT
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In the US the number of doctors has been restricted, not to insure quality, but to keep prices sky high.
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Cuba has been renowned as a place for high quality care at prices 1/4 of US.
Here's a wikipedia link to medical tourism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism#Cuba
Cuba
Cuba has been a popular medical tourism destination for more than 40 years. Thousands of patients travel to Cuba, particularly from Latin America and Europe, attracted by the "fine reputation of Cuban doctors, the low prices and nearby beaches on which to recuperate."[58] In 2006, Cuba attracted nearly 20,000 medical tourists.[59]
Medical treatments included joint replacement, cancer treatment, eye surgery, cosmetic surgery and addictions rehabilitation. Costs are about 60 to 80 percent less than US costs.
Cuba has hospitals for Cuban residents and others that focus on serving foreigners and diplomats. In the 2007 American documentary film, Sicko, which criticizes the US healthcare system, producer Michael Moore leads a group of uninsured American patients to Cuba to obtain more affordable medical treatment. Sicko has greatly increased foreigners' interest in Cuban healthcare. A recent Miami Herald story focused on the high quality of health care that Canadian and American medical tourism patients receive in Cuba.[60]
The Cuban government has developed Cuban medical tourism to generate income for the country. Residents of Canada, the UK and most other countries can travel to Cuba without any difficulty, although a tourist visa is generally required. For Americans, however, because of the US trade policy towards Cuba, travelers must either obtain US government approval, or, more frequently, travel to Cuba from Canada, Mexico, the Bahamas, Jamaica or the Dominican Republic. Cuban immigration authorities do not stamp the passports of US visitors so that Americans can keep their travels a private matter.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 15, 2011 - 03:24am PT
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It's a good point, heavily subsidize medical school and Nursing schools, institute single payer and health care for everyone like the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing to say that surgeons need to make thousands a day.
Our current system is obscene. A poor uninsured person is charged 3 times what the insurance company that person with minimal insurance has. The government pays even less.
Medicare has the lowest costs and lowest administration cost compared with private insurance.
Peace
Karl
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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Sep 15, 2011 - 07:51am PT
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Dean,
So sorry to hear this. For what it's worth; I've broken both ankles and one of them took for ever to heal, due to a prior injury. I was seriously thinking of having it fused.
In time it got better. I've got other issues, ( herniated disc and arthritis in multiple places), which are getting worse.
If it WASN'T for climbing to drive me- I would be a basket case!
I got a load of shrapnel in my ankle from Vietnam, and they said that I would never run again. I ran a 5 minute mile at 50 years old- 15 years ago.
Doctors are too used to seeing the average, lazy American.
I take Meloxicam everyday. It's similar to Celebrex, but unfortunately you may have a problem getting it since it is not over the counter. Every case is different and it is hard to know how much pain someone is in.
In any case, I hope things work out for you. Best, Steve
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Sep 15, 2011 - 09:15am PT
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Dean,
Sorry to hear about your accident but I'm glad it wasn't worse. Mark Powell always told me he climbed better with a fused ankle but let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Heal up and send me a couple of calendars. I'll send you the cheque.......
Heal quickly,
Jack R
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Sep 15, 2011 - 10:26am PT
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Dean,
I took a long sliding fall, hit a chicken head with on the ball my right foot and popped my ankle. I pushed my toes up into my shin and blew my ankle out! After surgery I was left with plates, screws and pain. I healed slowly, and then started climbing. After many years of abuse I had more pain than I could now deal with. It seems long the way( almost 20 years of climbing) after the initial injury the abuse and punishment I dished out to my ankle was severe. I had broke the pin in half and now had a partial mend. In constant pain and now unable to even hike I sought out help. One Doctor was able to help. He said I can't make you new, but I can help. So after some arthroscopic and general surgery, which removed the metal, arthritis, bad bone and junk, I was left with a mostly fused ankle with limited range of motion. This time I gave it proper time to heal, and then slowly started climbing again. this was in '01. Since I have been rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking like there's no tomorrow; because there isn't. Only today. So I make the most of it. after many trips climbing in Peru and hundreds of trips to JT and the Sierra I'm still going, with a fused ankle. I saw
Dr. James Richard Larose
1060 N. 13th Avenue
Upland, CA 91786
(909) 985-2555
Give him a call and see what he can do for you. Perhaps he can recommend you to someone else if needed. He was a miracle worker for me.
You will climb again.
I hope this helps, Dean
TY
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 15, 2011 - 11:41am PT
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I make around 10k per year and pay my taxes,
...and this is just wrong too. That Obama and the democratically controlled house and senate extended the tax cuts for the rich so that they can continue to build assents they don't need at your expense astounds me. What are you going to do about that? Vote republican? Hah!~
Dean, why do you think you fell on something so far in grade below where you should have even worried about. Some of the rest of us free solo on occasion, and it is difficult to write off the great masters who have died soloing. Guys like Dwight Bishop, John Bachar and Derek Hershey. What, or rather why, did that happen?
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MH2
climber
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:15pm PT
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Bullwinkle,
You did a great job telling your story.
Doctors tend to be conservative when telling you what to expect, so as not to give false hope, and some even seem to feel that a discouraging prognosis will motivate you to prove them wrong.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:20pm PT
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Everyone falls,eventually. Broken hold, bee-sting, dirt in your eye, momentary loss of concentration, Ego; the reasons are as many as there are falls. The question is: will it be while you are soloing? As per Dean's narrative. My little voice has served me well: when I listened. I listened a lot closer after my life changing fall, I can assure you. Dean will too.
Respectfully,
TY
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