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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 15, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
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One of my climbing partners recently told me that he is authorized to not charge small ammounts of weed and that the DA has told them that he does not want simple possesion (weed) jamming up the system...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2011 - 09:39pm PT
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Keep the cameras.
Straighten out the weed laws.
Or just learn to wind test facing away from the camera.
Saving somebody from a two bit weed beef is great, but I have to balance that against the potential to hold rogue cops accountable for serious offenses with tragic consequences.
There have just been far too many!
Salamanizer, I'm curious, where is your beat?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 15, 2011 - 09:47pm PT
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I am on dial up @ home and could not get this page to load all the way. I did not follow it that closely in the news just heard from my cop climbing partner that the guy got convicted.
http://www.vnews.com/05202011/7821164.htm
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 15, 2011 - 09:48pm PT
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Your employer can legally video tape all work areas. No permission needed. As the article Ron posted points out, some states have made it illegal for a third party to film anything a police officer is doing. I think that is wrong.
If I can't expect privacy in my work place, then neither should cops.
Though I do understand how mandatory video could keep a cop from exercising a bit of leniency. I'm not fighting for mandatory video. Just wondering how some states can make it illegal to videotape a police officer doing his job if its legal for an employer to videotape their work place.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2011 - 09:51pm PT
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Who do cops work for?
Who are their employers?
US DAMNIT.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 15, 2011 - 10:58pm PT
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We heard you the third time Dingbat.
Why don't you tell us the story of your most serious experience with being tooled?
Mine is a matter of public record, a 25 page detailed complaint filed and won in federal court for civil rights violations under the color of authority.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 16, 2011 - 12:21am PT
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Dingus
Power requires oversight and checks. Unlike most jobs or individuals Police are given significant power . Power to destroy your life on a whim regardless of your guilt or innocence.
This power should be subject to scrutiny. It should be part of the price of power.
Those who seriously advocate that police should not be videotaped (as they videotape us via their cruiser cams) is either ignorant or corrupt.
A wise Irishman once claimed that there is no situation so dismal that it cannot be made worse by the addition of a policeman.
A bit over the top but perhaps some truth.
Certainly the most dangerous things I have ever encountered are police. This based on actual results.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 16, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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Presumably the real issue once it gets to the Supreme Court will be which mega-corporation 'owns' the right to promote itself on the videos that the cops take. I mean, just because it's all part of the judicial process shouldn't mean that someone can't make a buck on it, does it? You've got the Exxon Supreme Court. My guess is that your ordinary cop and any video he takes will be simply sold to the highest bidder, naturally with cuts for all the apparatchiks.
And what about Bentham's Panopticon? Somewhat like what we're talking about, although he never dreamed of commercializing it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2011 - 11:10am PT
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Already responded to that issue, fatty.
Oh yeah, a real riot, Dingus. Glad it makes you laugh.
Fortunately the complaint was entered as evidence of a pattern of abuse in another case where the same bunch of officers brutalized a female inmate and, like I was, as she was on the floor was kicked.
In my case I just got a boot to the head, but in her case she was kicked so hard she ended up with a colostemy.
But at least Dingus is amused.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2011 - 11:45am PT
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In his last days I helped Kyle Copeland deal with the hole in his side that was leaking feces.
Sometimes you are a real jerk, Dingus.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2011 - 12:16pm PT
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Fatty, there are some absurd laws out there.
While mostly well meaning the drug laws do more harm than good.
Hard to call this a free country when the government owns your body and tells you what you can put in it.
But this thread is about accountability of public servants, and in the greater scheme of things letting cops get away with murder so that you can continue to wind test weed is a bad trade.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 16, 2011 - 12:16pm PT
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Dingus, I don't understand why you are giving Ron sh#t. Whats funny about police beating a restrained person until they need to have a colostomy bag? Your responses don't make sense to me. Care to explain?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Aug 16, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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Fattrad that sh#t made me laugh, those cops sure didn't mind getting video taped.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2011 - 01:14pm PT
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how many cameras and will they catch every angle.
You are not listening.
I'm talking about protecting the right of an uninvolved third party to stand off and record without a cop coming up to him and threatening him or worse.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 16, 2011 - 03:31pm PT
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I seem to recall another classic case involving BART.
The one where the guy laying on the ground was executed at point blank range.
If there was no third-party video of the incident, one can only wonder what the LEO version of the story would have been.
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 16, 2011 - 03:32pm PT
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... still better than a Yankees fan's account of a Red Sox game.
Brilliant!
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Gene
climber
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Aug 16, 2011 - 04:27pm PT
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Riley,
Funny that you didn't spot me in the ranger uniform, they have a reserve program now.
The evil one
I found you.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 30, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
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A victory from the First Circuit...
"is there a constitutionally protected right to videotape police carrying out their duties in public? Basic First Amendment principles, along with case law from this and other circuits, answer that question unambiguously in the affirmative."
Brought to you with from help from the commies at the ACLU.
CMLP
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2011 - 08:06pm PT
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That is good news indeed!!!
Got to remember; Glik case, first Circuit Court, Boston
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adam d
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 09:28pm PT
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Thanks for the link Froodish. Score one for the good guys!
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