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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Jul 23, 2011 - 06:36pm PT
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I'm not a religious man, but my thoughts go out to all those involved, their families, and the people of Norway. That one sadistic mofo can create all this tragedy, knows it, and still carries it out deeply saddens me.
I wonder, was it a chemical imbalance that pushed him over the edge, or perhaps the constant bombardment of information from the internet and cable media that crumpled an already weak and evil mind?
I'm sorry to hear of this, and fatty can go and suck a dick, trying to tie his personal thoughts into this. Shame On You.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 23, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
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Skip, your flippant response is just dumb.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 23, 2011 - 06:42pm PT
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I was surprised by the post that said maximum penalty was 21 years, with parole after 16.
According to Wikipedia (hey it's how I do US legal research sometimes, albeit with verification), that's not quite right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway
He may spend life in prison regardless of any finding of insanity, as long as he's found to be a danger to society.
Even so, I would imagine many of the survivors may be disturbed to know that this guy could get of prison while he's still fairly young, at least I think that's how most Americans would feel. Sometimes being "nice" to criminals isn't so nice to their victims.
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jamatt
Social climber
Asheville, NC
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Jul 23, 2011 - 06:57pm PT
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judging from how well we're all getting along when discussing this tragedy:
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 23, 2011 - 07:11pm PT
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Seriously Skip, you're just being crass. I wasn't asking for input, merely stating a thought.
OK? Let it go.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 23, 2011 - 07:26pm PT
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What does my nonsense mean?
Tell me what I think.
:)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 23, 2011 - 07:26pm PT
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hey there say, all....
this was too sad, to read about... but a friend shared a lot of details, so i am here to offer condolences to norway, and the loved ones of these young children and all...
:(
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jul 23, 2011 - 08:35pm PT
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All of Scandinavia must be in shock. Sure the cartoons Lolli sends us make fun of rivalries but they are indeed close neighbors. I've worked for a Danish company. I've travelled in Norway and Sweden, I've never felt safer. Police appear professional and are respectful and helpful. The populace also appear to strongly believe in our common humanity, the Danes I worked with, certainly. I have in-law family in Sweden. This must be terribly unnerving.
My heart goes out to all the wonderful Scandinavian people. They are tough and resilient. I don't think this will significantly alter their outlook and way of life. I certainly hope not.
Lolli.....well said
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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Vengeance is mine saith the Lord
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
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One doesn't have to be a Christian to know what Jesus taught.
I agree that Justice must be brought. What is the justice for a hate monger like Jeff?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jul 23, 2011 - 09:11pm PT
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While we're at it, let's back off on Jeff. He's as entitled to his opinions as any of us. When we start fighting among ourselves the terrorists score a point or two. Seeding fear and dissension is one of their goals.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2011 - 09:23pm PT
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While we're at it, let's back off on Jeff. He's as entitled to his opinions as any of us. When we start fighting among ourselves the terrorists score a point or two. Seeding fear and dissension is one of their goals.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men do nothing. If Jeff is good, then he can apologize. Why is Jeff entitled to speak his mind, but those of us who disagree with him shouldn't?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jul 23, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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We should certainly call out people who speak nonsense, as I did in my post on page 1. We can do it respectfully without devolving into schoolyard name calling and bullying. The truth will set you free....or something like. And soon enough the full truth of this tragedy will out. The speciousness of Jeff's original post has already become apparent, it speaks for itself. Leave it be.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2011 - 09:39pm PT
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Skip.. I apologized to you. Thats all I'm going to do. If you want to defend Jeff's actions, then go for it. But most of us recognize how thoughtless he was, and that he has a penchant for trying to start trouble. One doesn't have to resort to physical violence to behave inappropriately.
I don't think much of your so called Christianity either. Revelations has multiple stories about Christians like you.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 23, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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I know who and they believe in Islam.
This isn't a joke. It an attempt to foster hatred and fear and rally people to his clash. Its ugly.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Jul 24, 2011 - 12:00am PT
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 24, 2011 - 12:13am PT
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The vigil Tenn et lys for de døde og skadde etter tragedien i Oslo og Utøya (Light a candle for the dead and injured after the tragedy in Oslo and Utøya), a world-wide memorial, will now be on Saturday July 31st at 11:30 PM. (Presumably Norwegian time, which translates into 1:30 PM PDT.) It seems to have been postponed.
There is nothing formal about it - simply light a candle, and think of those who died.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/event.php?eid=244185822272540
There will a vigil at the Scandinavian Centre in Burnaby tomorrow, July 24th. 6540 Thomas Street, any time from 12:30 on. There will be a book of condolences, which I imagine will be given ambassador Eikenberg to forward to Norway.
Perhaps other events are planned - I've been away all day, and so may be behind the times.
As the saying goes, better to light one candle, than curse the darkness. There are too many here who seem to want to blindly answer ignorance with ignorance, violence with violence, anger with anger, and hatred with hatred.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jul 24, 2011 - 09:57am PT
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The political "spectrum" is warped into a circle, the extremist on the right are joined with the extremist on the left and where they meet is insanity. Their world is black and white with no shades of grey. There is no light in their blindness. What a sad and tragic event, indeed we should all light a candle to remind us we can keep the darkness away.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 24, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Thanks, Lolli.
It is a waste of time to discuss capital punishment - Norway's principles are stronger than that. They made an exception with Quisling and about ten others who were guilty of high treason during World War II, and it is still quite controversial.
Whether the murderer was insane in the legal sense remains to be seen. He was clearly a sociopath. He seems to have been able to think logically, and plan what he did, including the timing, and weapons and explosives. To the point not of attacking say Muslims, the easy tactic, but to attack those who eventually would have been the people who would be in charge of the party controlling the government which allowed and continued to allow Muslims and other "foreigners" to enter Norway.
And yes, the far left and the far right meet somewhere, and there's little to distinguish between their pathologies.
Norwegian police have now arrested six others, but there's no information as to what if any connection they had to the murderer. My guess is that the police want to know what they knew about the murderer, and/or that they're involved in simiilar groups. Indeed, anyone involved in such groups in Scandinavia can probably expect a visit from the police in the near future. Extreme right-wing, neo-Nazis, xenophobic, and the like. Those who operate the forums which such persons post to, also. (The murderer had often posted to fundamentalist Christian websites, which is suggestive if not conclusive - most hard right-wingers probably think of themselves as "Christian", although they're anything but.)
I suspect that Norway will also change its gun laws, to prohibit the public from owning automatic weapons. I was very surprised to hear that it is allowed - there is no legitimate reason for any citizen to have such a weapon.
The death toll stands at 92.
jedge, skipt et al: Please don't import US 'values' and beliefs into the discussion, or impose your ideology. It's out of place.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
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Det var snilt av Fattrad.
Good on you Fattie.
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