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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2014 - 01:54am PT
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It's time!
This should be really interesting.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Mar 16, 2014 - 04:30am PT
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Rosberg, Ricciardo, Magnussen - it's gonna be an interesting season...
Edit: Ricciardo's out - disqualified for exceeding the maximum allowed fuel flow. Button new third.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 18, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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Don't you think that there is a beautiful and simple symmetry in a Nascar race course that Formula 1 lacks?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
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If we are going to race go-karts I am all for that. Removing the design genius from the equation and making them work with the limited design options is, IMHO a huge step back for Auto Racing.
If good competitive racing is what you are after, check out Karts. At one of the races we went to in Tuscon last January, the Rotax Sr. main event had 36 karts, the first 24 were within .3 second. The tail ender was less than .7 seconds slower than pole.
F1- can play all the slow down games it wants, someday something better will come along.
EDIT FOR JIM: NASCAR is really fun to watch..... first a 450 mile parade, then a 48 mile sprint, then 3 of the best Green White Checker shoot outs money can buy.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Mar 18, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
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I dunno. Ask someone...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
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FM ... This redesign with a view towards evolution of the technology.
The Rule Makers are not the type of folks who get innovative.... that is the job of people who are trying to build a better mouse trap.
Like Colin Chapman..... he wasn't picking the type of "wing" that the F1 would allow, he came up with a better idea.....
Im not saying that the new cars arn't cool, they are just going in the wrong direction, by ending inovation.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
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Hakster,
English is the official language of F-1. All radio transmissions are supposed to be in English.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Mar 18, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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New engines sound strange....kinda like 20 years ago. Was glad to see new faces on the podium, but looks like still a lot of bugs to work out of the cars and systems.Kinda wish they would loosen up on all the rules and restrictions and just let em blow hard and fast.
I like Donini's comment, could you imagine F-1 on an oval?? The Indy F-1 race was half way there, I would fall asleep when they would loop half the oval, at least they went anti-clock.
Peace
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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Ron.... going around in circles, is the hardest thing one can do in Auto Sports..... the reason?
anybody???
I just love it when folks put down circle racin, shows how much they understand about racing.
And the "Danica Thing".... no driver likes other driver who didn't "earn" their spot and gets lots of media attention. Its sort of like a "pro climber" who can get it done... on TR.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Mar 18, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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guyman, just my style, going in circles in anything is kinda boring to me. To each his own, I know NASCAR is hard going inches from another and holding your line, air taken away and put on, dealing with tires wearing on one side, etc., just prefer F-1...oh yeah it has it's boringness too!
Peace
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
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Come on FM.... your just acting stupid.
It's because there are only two, three or four turns.... and you must get them right... the chassis set up must be spot on, if the tuners don't get it just right your dead slow and no matter how hard you drive your still slow. When I was working with Indy cars (cleaning up and helping to tear apart bent cars and running tires to and from the tire shop) the front "RIDE HEIGHT" shim was very important, so important that if you got it wrong by .10 inch, you could be 3mph slow, and that my friends makes you lapped traffic by the first pit stop.
Now on a road course, you have all sorts of turns and the set up is a compromise - a balance between left turns and right turns- and while not easy to get the best set up, you can live with it not being perfect. This is where a good driver can shine and show some skills.
This Left turn vs Road Race thing really will show how knowlegable a FAN is, that is why Jaun Montoyo, a EX F1 champ can be pretty happy to make the top 10 finnish in NASCAR.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Ron... to me all racing is exciting.
But F1 is what puts me to sleep on a sunday am..... look, no passing at all anymore - except when they are mandated to stop and change to the other compound tires, what is up with that??? and how exciting is it to watch some of the best cars and drivers in the world racing around a track, with almost ZERO spectators????
don't get me wrong... when NASCAR stopped racing Fords, Chevy, Dodge I think a lot of the interest (for me) went away. And don't get me started about the concept of "getting your lap back" .... so bogus
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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LOL, Montoya is not a former F1 Champ. Seriously your comparing NASCAR to F1? Have fun with that.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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Just in ... my bad, he didn't win a F1 champship. it was F3000.
Yes F1 and NASCAR are about even steven....but I think NASCAR drivers are better drivers, and its harder to win in NASCAR.
But Im not trying to change anyones mind, Its just the way I see it from about 50 years of following racing, and 35 years of getting dirty.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 18, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
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That's why I said have fun with that, cause whichever side you stand on you won't be changing the other's view. I'm a F1 snob and can't watch NASCAR cause it bores me, but I do know it has a lot of talented drivers and setup is key. More talented drivers or more value to a good setup than F1 is debatable. To each his own, but for the record F1 is far greater!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 18, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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There's just something about a car that can do 0-180 in 8 or 9 seconds and
go around a hairpin at 60-70. But I agree, Guy, the lack of passing has
really diminished F1. Of course, certain tracks never had much, like Monaco,
but now none of them do.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Rilley yes F1 cars are awsome.... but a NASCAR getting ready to do a rolling start at 80 mph.... will spin the tires if you give it to much and not get going if your just a hair off. The traction controller is between the ears.
Just in... those are both good links. THX
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Mar 21, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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overwatch
climber
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Mar 21, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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Watching all forms of motorsport road racing benefit greatly from on board cameras which are under used in my opinion
Edit: surfing comps also
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