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jstan
climber
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I hate asking stupid questions.
What's the pitch of this roof?
What do you get when you put a square on it?
The accepted minimum for shingles is 3 in 12. Though with adaptations and moderate wind 1 in 12 can work.
It all depends on how much you hate working with black sh#t.
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MisterE
Social climber
Cinderella Story, Outa Nowhere
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Need a dumpster for the old roofing, as well as a bunch of flat-bladed shovels. The roofing companies have special ones with teeth and a pry fulcrum. Maybe if it is on a weekend, we can borrow some of those for a day from a local roofing contractor.
You guys need to determine if there are any "weak" spots in the roof, check the supports in the attic, etc. Also, how many layers of old roofing are on there (for disposal volume AND weight considerations: determining how many people you are going to have on the roof and where).
Just a few thoughts. Skip and I would like to help.
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jstan
climber
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Landfill costs for disposal of construction materials is now $55/ton. Trucked urself.
The indicated roof appears to be a little more than 2 in 12 and has penetrations. Where is the leak? You may just have a problem at the penetrations. Those could be perfectly good shingles on that roof.
No point in putting Todd's Oakie rating in jeopardy.
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Gene
climber
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Is this the roof in question? There may be other photos on the Flanders thread which is where I lifted these.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Todd,
What do you have to say about this?
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jstan
climber
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Dean:
I have not so far interacted with B&S. With the state cutbacks the Yucca Valley office is open only one day a week, the clerks come down from Big Bear, and the single inspector has to do 40 inspections each day. Use your imagination to guess the result of all this.
(As long as I have not put a lot of money in my improvement it makes sense any purchaser will pay cash and hire a D8 at escrow.)
If the leak is confined to the right corner you probably have a point failure part way toward the ridge or the water is being driven in at the end. I would say the thing to do is to get a half dozen shingles and fix it.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Do it up, figure it out. Make it happen. Some roofing EXPERT needs to evaluate the roof (step one) and determine how extensive the actual damage is. Then it would be possible to come up with a plan and logistical approach.
Although it is late in the season, some years the most torrential rain happens during the summer, August monsoons.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Most precip in August
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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I am dumb but I can take direction. I will strip the old or lay the new. I have meager masonary skills as well.
Use me.
Rob
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Gene
climber
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Strong back, weak mind - I can help.
Weak back, strong mind - I can cook.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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If you do this before middle of June I'll help too..... Laborer, cook, whatever. After that hope to be at Tioga Pass. Let's get this up and going. :D
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Here is my two cents worth. I have done a bunch of roofs. The angle on Todd's roof is pretty low angled for composition shingles; which may be why its leaking. Therefore a tar and gravel roof would be superior. But a bigger pain in the ass to do. Also depending on how long its been leaking there could be structural damage!
If there is going to be a Gordofest the more time and thought that went into it the better the outcome. Really organize and prepare for a full on assault. Give it some time to assess the needs, gather material and man power for both the work and the party, and to regroup from the last gathering.
The climbing community is obviously wanting to be part of this worthy cause and I would like to see it happen over the few days it would need to do it right. It is however an invasive process. With the man and woman power available there is so much that could be done besides the roof. I am sure there is a pretty good size honey-do list.
Somebody locally with the know how and time working with the Gordon's could step up and create job tasks (windows, electrical, painting, plumbing, roofing, heating/cooling etc) create the material list, time frames necessary so that when we do gather again its productive endeavor.
What makes since to me is to take a few months to gather the momentum, money, material and expertise. Then after the Yosemite Facelift in the beginning of October when is cooler regroup for a Gordon facelift fest.
I hope this makes sense and the project comes to fruition. I would very much like to be there to help out. I am very curious how it will shake out.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 09:12am PT
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I believe that HandCrack has said that he/she is going to take the lead in coordinating this project.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Yup-- H has nailed it. You don't want to push off from shore without enough money, marbles and chalk to complete the job.
As you all know, the work has to be welcomed willingly. This is a seensitive topic but it seems like the groundwork for acceptance has already been done.
I would gladly contribute at least with some $$ on this end. Would be hard to make it again to SoCal this year.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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After speaking with Todd last night I've been given the go ahead to be the center of communications for this project. Robert (rlf) has agreed to head up the electric work. I've been in touch with a possible roofing crew leader and am waiting to hear back from him. The first order of business will be to meet up at Todd's house and inspect the site to determine exactly what needs to be done and hopefully get some idea of the cost involved.
I'll post up more when we have developed a more fixed plan regarding work dates, etc. In the meantime, anyone who wants to contribute to the work can let me know at lballenjr@gmail.com and I'll add your name to the list of volunteers.
Brandt Allen
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nature
climber
Kovalum Kerala India
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If this happens in the fall I'll be happy to help out. That is unless y'all mind eating sushi.
I've also done construction work in the past but I'm not one for taking charge on projects like that so perhaps just operating my knives is enough?
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Brandt, put me on the list. I can help out with labor and $$
I have been in involved with several building trades,
James Barnett
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Sounds good James.
If you (and everyone else) could email me with your contact info that would be very helpful.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I'm willing to send a check if Todd will start posting using paragraphs. ;)
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