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giegs
climber
Tardistan
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Feb 20, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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Probably true. I'm teaching myself heavy equipment repair lately. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near one of those machines while baked. It really depends more on the dose than any sort of binary state though. I'm about to make another pot of coffee. In all likelihood this will decrease my ability to tie my shoes effectively. Luckily I've already planned for this and have slippers handy. It's all about foresight and planning ahead.
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hoipolloi
climber
A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
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Feb 20, 2011 - 03:12pm PT
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I have do recall reading studies a few years ago in school talking about 'state-dependent-learning' as being not true. Same thing goes for testing in the place you learn. The ideas sound solid, but the empirical research doesn't back it up. There might be some research out there showing it is a real effect, just saying I recall reading otherwise...Someone find a meta-analysis!
I'm just saying...
ps. I was not impressed with the article. I have participated in both sides of the debate. For me personally, I find it is highly dependent on the type of climbing. Crack climbing, I can participate and really enjoy. Slab climbing, I can't find the tiny holds and get scared....hahaha....true story...Although it never makes me 'better' just alters the experience.
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sempervirens
climber
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Feb 20, 2011 - 03:23pm PT
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giegs, I gotta agree. And that is my point, learning heavy equipment repair should be done sober, and soberly, IMO. Playing frisbee, well I still prefer to be sober, ... nowadays anyway, but I can see some value in altering a little. Also, for me it is binary, I'm either stoned or not stoned; I never really could find any in between. In the end I believe the ganj should be legal, and its use is discouraged by me.
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Feb 20, 2011 - 05:27pm PT
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come on guys... so what the heck do yall do for those 3-4 hour wall belays that can be boring as hell?...
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Brendan
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Feb 20, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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I'm with Pate. I've had several friends tie in incorrectly while blazed, thankfully nothing ever happened because they either topped out the pitch or they were able to catch it only a few feet off the ground and downclimb.
Not sure if you mentioned it before, but i've heard weed reduces libido and adrenaline production. This would obviously reduce your ability to shoot a crux.
Bouldering though. Blaze your tits off, who cares as long as you spot.
-Brendan
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Smeagol
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 23, 2011 - 02:54am PT
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That article was pretty bad. It reminded me of writing you might find in a high school newspaper. Anyways, I've "greenpointed" a few routes in my day... but I'm not sure I enjoyed them. The anxiety and fear-of-heights thing kicks in and psychs me out. Been out with stoners bouldering and doin some single pitch sport stuff and always have a great time. Up on a wall, building anchors, etc. NO WAY. well... ok maybe sometimes, if i trust my climbing partner enough. Ha!
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 23, 2011 - 02:22pm PT
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"Don't get me wrong, I like to burn, but there's a time and a place for it. At times when I cherish the focus and clarity of mind in stressful situations, it detracts."
Come on ya'll, repeat that with the Jeff Spicoli accent and you've got a true classic, Mr. Hand!
Then you get into your vehicle and kill me and my family, "Oops, sorry dude, her's one for you and one for me....you DICK!"
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Clarksburg, WV
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Feb 23, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
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Smoking pot is bad for your rope. So I always left my rope at home when toking.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Feb 23, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
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This depends heavily on the physiological and psychological makeup of the person
I regularly free-solo and climb well at my limit while high
I also regularly climb sober
I ride tight couloir lines and drop hairy cliff lines while high
I toke with intention, to be stimulated and to elevate my awareness, not the other way around- fortunately the cannabinoids in sativa traffic to the brain mostly- for stimulation, while indica cannabinoids traffic to neuro-muscular junctions for relaxation post workout
I puffed tough all the way through my time at Berkeley, where I doubled in molecular biology and philosophy in 3.5 years- this includes time studying and test taking
Also I happen to know first hand that most of the US men's olympic gymnastic team in 2008 are all tokers- and they won a bronze medal. They don't screen for it for nothing- Performance enhancing I tell you-
For certain people
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shit tooth
Big Wall climber
Oklahoma City, OK
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Feb 23, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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The article was alright, but more on to the point... I'm cleaning myself up after finally figuring out that I like climbing hard way more than I like being wasted (well, all the baggage that comes with it). Weed and drinking are pricey and have made up what I've spent most of my money on the last 8 or so years. Why not just save it up and climb a bit harder?
I can definitely don't mind the occasional toke and climb, but at one point or another it becomes a downer not to have it around, and at that point its a bit too much.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Feb 23, 2011 - 11:39pm PT
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Hate to say it...
But I know more than a few EMT's who toke.
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mike williams
climber
fayetteville wv
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Feb 25, 2011 - 11:42am PT
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Hey, Mike Williams here. I work for DPM. I just got pointed here by the author of the weed article we recently printed. I can't say I read the whole thread but I scanned it and it's pretty much exactly what we expected.
It's pretty common knowledge that weed is strongly embedded in climbing culture. It's no secret that Sharma, lots of big wall climbers, and half the people you see at the crag on Saturday are high. Some people can climb high, some can't.
We actually sat on this article for a long time before printing it. We knew it was far from scientific and the test results conjured up images of High School kids getting stoned for the first time and trying to rock climb for the first time. But, in the end, the article is what it is: a not-so-scientific study by one person that was interested in seeing what would happen if his buddies got stoned.
I didn't personally feel that the article took a stance on the subject and didn't feel that it would create a 'dpm stance' on the subject either. I just thought it would create conversation on an age old subject that will never be hashed out (pardon the pun). The article is far from propaganda in my opinion.
Matt, the owner of DPM smokes occasionally. I don't anymore. I smoked and climbed for many years. I finally realized that the constant knot checking while climbing, nervousness, and general fear of making mistakes didn't outweigh the benefits of topping out and taking in the trippy view. But that's just me. Others get high and climb hard and safely. My personal views, Matt's, or the author's, weren't really apparent in the article and that's why it went to print.
We hoped it would spark some conversation on the topic and here we are 90 posts later....
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mike williams
climber
fayetteville wv
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Feb 25, 2011 - 01:53pm PT
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weschrist, all that dope is making you paranoid. the day we've got cops reading dpm is the day i'll be a rich man. I'll eat my hat if this article has any effect on next year's level of harrassment by yosemite park rangers: "scuse me sir, I couldn't help but notice you've got a rope by your car here. Last season I thought all climbers were sober as church mice but I recently read online that you probably smoke weed. Mind if I have a look around?"
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