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bmacd
Social climber
100% Canadian
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Jan 20, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
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I'll take one to go with my new hammer please
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 10:40pm PT
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Alright.
Here are the wrench patterns! Just got this from the stamping outfit.
All can be made 7 guage Steel (.179 nominal). I think this will be the best option for a light wrench that would stand up to tightening bolts as well. I need to pick 1 from the "A" photos" and one from the "B" photos. Maybe have the 7/8 wrench made thinner as it is not going to have the repeated tourque from tightening bolts.
On the box end 7/8 wrench. The corcle around the hex will not be a perfect circle but a little oblong. (kind of shown in pictures). Something to do with the way they allign the dies or something. Think of it as a bottle opening tab.
Just for referance, in 7 guage steel, #30 below would weight about 5.5oz
The black holes in the picture are holes for a clip in loop.
Let me know what you guys think.
Thanks,
Luke
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
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A2 and B1 look good to me. The heavy 7/8” Hurricane wrench seems to be 0.179” as well. Maybe stick with that for durability and to prevent any cracking. What do you think about putting the clip-in loop hole just offset of center of the wrench? That way, the leash wouldn’t get in the way during use. Way cool!
EDIT: One concern with pattern A2 is that with a wider wrench end, mobility will be more limited when tightening a bolt with a hanger. The typical “Craftsman-type” open-end wrenches are much narrower and thus have greater mobility (degrees of rotation) when a hanger is involved. Deucey’s wrench idea posted below would probably solve this problem, if one can be found, or created.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Jan 20, 2011 - 11:37pm PT
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I always wished to find a manufactured wrench with one end for the Hurricane, and the other for Rawl Bolts--something drop forged and solid would be ideal--but could never find one. Perhaps something to consider if you are getting custom wrenches made.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:34am PT
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Minerials,
I agree to the pattern A2 and B1. Same size. I can have the hole punched where ever. Just wanted it in the diagram some where.
Wish I had thought about a custom made drop forged wrench. Harder to find an outfit that does that as opposed to the metal stamping.
Luke
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Jan 21, 2011 - 12:56am PT
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ya, I was thinking of a manufactured drop forged 7/8" and 9/16" combo, but it is definitely not a standard item (they usually come 7/8"-3/4" etc.)
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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still an awesome idea. I searched around a bit to try and find something similar in a droped forged design ( was looking for a 1/2 and 9/16 combo as well, def not standard and really close in size). Closest I found would be haveing some lazercut as opposed to stamping.
Thanks,
Luke
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
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Mini update:
Going to try out some glue options for the grip tomorrow and give it a good trial run. I am using a loctite epoxy that will need to cure until tomorrow evening. The glueing process was a bit more involved than I thought. It is a 2 part process where small ridges are built with epoxy, that must cure, then more epoxy is added while the grip is pushed on. The glue fills in the little channels and does not get all pushed out to one end as the grips are a really tight fit.
Kind of techy and boring for an update....but just wanted to report on the status....
Thanks,
Luke
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Jan 23, 2011 - 08:45am PT
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The only combo 1/2 & 9/16's I've seen are tubing wrenches. Ah, well.
Looks like progress is bein' made, though, eh? Good on ya. Cheers!
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mawk
Big Wall climber
Hugo, MN
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Jan 23, 2011 - 10:28am PT
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Re: Wrenches.
You might want to check out Metrinch www.metrinch-tools.com
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jan 23, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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Hey Luke- If you haven't pulled the pin on the wrenches yet, I asked around on one of my machining forums and it seems that 9/16" x 1/2" open end wrenches aren't as rare as we thought. Grainger carries a bunch of options, with the cheapest being from Westward at $5.95(Part #1EYL5). It's a bit longer than the one you spec'd (6-1/2" vs 6-1/8"), but definitely in the ballpark and chrome plated. They also carry a extra-thin option from Proto (Part #1ANM9), but it's 10" long and quite a bit more expensive ($15.05).
IIRC the one from Westward is a couple more bucks than what you got quoted for stamping, but might be a more comfortable and longer lasting option.
-a.
EDIT- Oh, and I can't find a comparable option for the 7/8" box wench, as as the shortest I can find is 11-5/8" long for $15.67 (Part #1EYH9). It's also black oxide finish and 12point on the box end. They do have a 10" long 13/16" x 7/8" open end wrench though, which is $11.14 (Part #1EYL8).
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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Jan 23, 2011 - 02:36pm PT
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I would definitely vote for making the grips as long as you can (while still allow clearance for the wrench). This will make them far more comfortable (and stable) in your palm.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 23, 2011 - 06:52pm PT
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i said this once already, i think, but yeah,
i want one!
it'll replace my old one.
and if i don't get, yer a communist.
heh
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2011 - 10:30pm PT
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Well I got to finially drill with this thing. Everything help up just fine except for the grip. The epoxy did not bond we and during the second hole the grip started to slide off. Bummer, but not a big deal, I will find out the correct glue. Just sucks scraping off the old epoxy only to do it again! Going to try some different stuff I ordered and some moto grip glue as well.
The hardened insert did not chip or crack in the little testing I did and it did not mess up my hammer nearly as bas as i thought it would as the striking insert is harder than my hammer. As I drilled a few holes the insert started to become smooth and the indents were even less.
I am going to talk to the shop tomorrow and have them change the chamfer on the end and the length of the insert as discussed earlier......Oh yea, and tell them to srart production!
As far as the wrenches go, I am going to think about it tonight and let the stamping outfit know tomorrow one way or the other. I am leaning twords the stamped wrenches a little due to the fact of cost and by having a thinner wrench, the grips can be cut longer making them more comfortable in the hand.
I'll work more on leash ideas over the next couple of days and more on the glue choice as soon as that arrives.
I will have enough to have 50 drills completed asap when the drills arrive. The only thing I will need to get more of to finish the other 200 drills will be more 25/64" collets. These are not to hard to find....I just will need to recoup some money before I can buy more. They cost $11.68 a piece, and when you need 250, it adds up quick. Could not find a better price anywhere.
Thanks,
Luke
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Jan 25, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
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I'll want one too when they are ready. I know, no list for now but still wanted to throw my name out there.
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2011 - 01:51pm PT
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After thinking about which wrench to go with, I decided to go with the stamped flat wrenches pictured a few posts above. These will allow a longer grip to be put on the drill and should be a cheaper lighter weight piece. I ordered them Yesterday and will post up some pictures after I receive the samples. The sample wrenches will not be heat treated or plated, just want to confirm the fit before production starts. If one wants to use a different wrench, just cut back the grips.
I am going try a the 2 new types of epoxy as soon as it is done drying tonight or tomorrow. I have 2 different blends on 2 different drills and hopefully they will hold this time. The first round I tried failed rather quickly.
I also reduced the chamfer on the end with the machine shop and had the insert shortened. Getting them within .005 - .0010 is not really going to work as that is the tolerance for the pins. They will be flush or slightly above. Best we could do.
Thanks,
Luke
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Jan 27, 2011 - 01:57pm PT
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put my name for 3
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utahman912
Social climber
SLC, UT
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Jan 31, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
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Bump because my friend the D5 yearns to mate with a Hurricane
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squatch
Boulder climber
santa cruz, CA
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Jan 31, 2011 - 02:54pm PT
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I'm down to purchase one when they are available.
one question: will the drill come with two size collets? one for 1/4" bits and one for 3/8"?
or is there an easy source to order the different collets for retrofitting?
i guess the problem with including different collets is that some people will be using HSS bits and others might prefer modified (cut down) SDS bits which i think would be four different size collet combinations if you're moving between 3/8" and 1/4".
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Luke Malatesta
Big Wall climber
Moab UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2011 - 04:16pm PT
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squatch,
I am including a 25/64" collet with the drill. This will work on all SDS bits and 25/64" HSS bits (Both used to drill a 3/8" hole). The collets are available from most metal working companies ( MSC is a good one, just search for DA200 collet and a bunch of suppliers will pop up).
I am just waiting for everything to show up. All is paid for and assembly should not take to long. I have not had any luck with the 3 different epoxy blend I have tried. Renthal grip glue seems to be working great for now. Need to drill a few more holes with it.
As stuff arrives I will keep updating the thread. It is happening FOR SURE!
Thanks,
Luke
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