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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Oct 21, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
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From wikipedia:
The German Alpine Club (German: Deutscher Alpenverein) or DAV is the largest climbing association in the world and the eight largest sports union in Germany. It is organised into 354 legally independent branches with a total of around 815,000[1] members. It is a member of the German Olympic Sports Confederation, the responsible body for sport and competition climbing, hiking, mountaineering, hill walking, ice climbing and mountain expeditions as well as ski mountaineering.
Here is the club medal, since we are doing medals:
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Oct 21, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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Yo Randisi! What's up?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 21, 2010 - 04:44pm PT
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Vote or no vote, the people can always be brought to obey the commands of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. This method works in any country. !!!!!
If only the neo-cons were so honest.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Oct 21, 2010 - 11:48pm PT
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I saw that photo of Goering on the watzmann attributed to 1932 or 33. Ill have to dig it up. And that s no guarantee that the attribution is correct. But The later date seems plausible for a variety of reasons. I wrote on it a while back, but can't recall the details. As best I recall, a guided climb on a chunk of moderate fifth class choss on the Watzmann, after Goering had bought his chalet.
Goering wasn't much of a climber, but he was an early member of the Brandenburg Sektion of the DOEAV, which was the first climbing section to have an Aryan only clause.
The numbers on the DOEAV are probably correct. Six hundred k was a lot of folks, but climbing was really big in twenties and early thirties Germany and Austria. You need only to look to the Clubhouse, on one of the nicest pieces of real estate in Munich, to understand how nicely climbing was positioned in period German political and social life. Mountain climbing movies weed for German speakers what westerns were for Americans. Even Leni Riefenstahl got her start in Bergfilm
The DOEAV was an important club, not just in climbing but in culture generally. And it was one of the early platforms for political antiSemitism.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Nov 10, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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Here's a more complete rendition of his famous quote:
"Nazi leader Hermann Goering, interviewed by Gustave Gilbert during
the Easter recess of the Nuremberg trials, 1946 April 18, quoted in
Gilbert's book 'Nuremberg Diary.'
Goering: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some
poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.
Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who
determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some
say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the
United States only Congress can declare wars.
Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country."
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ddsstyle
Sport climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Nov 10, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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"If that picture was from 1911, Goering would only be 18 in that photo. Doesn't look 18 to me, but it's hard to tell."
His weight absolutely ballooned in the 1930s. From photos taken in the late 1920's he is still not too big. Barrel chest for sure. But not obese. Looking at the mid 1930's, he looks like he is pushing 325. Not sure how much mountaineering he did once the party rose and his political role increased, along with his weight.
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