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Jingy
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Nowhere
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Jul 29, 2010 - 01:39am PT
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does any of it matter...?
those are padded seats....
for padded people....
tossing padded balls...
on padded/manufactured issues...
and never revealing anything...
haven't heard a single American sized question from any of'em....
sad.. nobody wants the truth anymore.. they have no idea what it is! and wouldn't recognize it if they did have it handed to'em
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bluering
Trad climber
CA
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Jul 29, 2010 - 01:48am PT
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So numbers equate to truth????
No, but in polling they DO indicate trends in popular opinion and thought.
EDIT: Jingy, ever hear of Major Garret or Les Kinsolving?
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2010 - 01:52am PT
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"does any of it matter...?"
Nah, not really. Helen didn't get much more airtime because she was in that front row seat. She got airtime usually around the start of a POTUS's administration because she was older than dirt & water, and in the end, dared to make a comment that most people were thinking, but would never actually say. That kinda stuff happens when you get older- the social filters that have guided and restrained you all of your life start to fall away, leaving nothing but the stark, naked truth of what you actually think.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jul 29, 2010 - 01:55am PT
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i wouldn't do helen with Your dick.
where's sam donaldson when you need a screaming lunatic?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 29, 2010 - 01:56am PT
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I want dirtbag in that seat.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jul 29, 2010 - 02:01am PT
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No, but in polling they DO indicate trends in popular opinion and thought.
Popular opinion gave us george bush and the war in Iraq. It is often wrong.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2010 - 02:34am PT
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"So numbers equate to truth????"
"No, but in polling they DO indicate trends in popular opinion and thought."
You mean like how most public opinion polls (FauxNews notwithstanding, obviously) showed that the majority of the US public preferred the idea of a Public Option?
Or is that an 'Inconvenient Truth' for your ideology?
Does that truth hurt?
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bestill
Trad climber
s. ca.
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Jul 29, 2010 - 08:41am PT
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All the news channels and outlets are biased to some degree nowadays and have been actively increasing that bias for decades. I remember back in the 80's talking about this same subject with a Brit who said, that after climbing he loved to sit and watch the "bubble headed bleach blonds" yap because it was so unlike the BBC in his country. That conversation took place at Todd's place on Rincon in Joshua Tree.
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dirtbag
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Jul 29, 2010 - 08:45am PT
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It wasn't my brand of political thought-but it always made me think, something I'm afraid Fox does not do.
Faux makes me think about changing the channel.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jul 29, 2010 - 09:34am PT
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the BBC is great at poking its nose all over the world and telling people what they're doing wrong in their respective countries. this is a tradition inherited from queen victoria. but leave the poop in the nest alone. it's aristocratic poop, and if you think it stinks, it's all in your lower-class imagination.
was you're friend's middle name "lord"? they don't always let on, but if you kept buying most of the beer, that's a sign.
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DanaB
climber
Philadelphia
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Jul 29, 2010 - 09:41am PT
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I thought NPR was National Psychotic Radio.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Jul 29, 2010 - 11:29am PT
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Bluering - "No, but in polling they DO indicate trends in popular opinion and thought.
EDIT: Jingy, ever hear of Major Garret or Les Kinsolving?"
No to the edit question, but then again... you maybe never heard of Howard Zinn...
what, are they after the truth, or somethin?
And to the first point.. popular opinion (polls) can be massaged by gently skewing the facts, not revealing the full truth of an event...
There is much more to be learned out there, and I am not saying that I am an informed citizen... I just don't get everything about any story from mainstream, which, in America, seems to start with sound bites from the White House, then mulled over, and presented in the most general, softest manner possible, so as not to get the population angry at the fact that corporations are more powerful then they are.
You vote for tweedle-dee or tweedle-dumb means nothing when they represent the highest bidder, know what I'm saying?
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2010 - 11:50am PT
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Sorry if the 'Germany' parallel didn't work for you, Cragman. How about this one:
Jesus was outnumbered by orders of magnitude.
How come both you and bluering have avoided that one?
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bluering
Trad climber
CA
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Jul 29, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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What's your point, Apogee?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jul 29, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
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Lately I've been doing high end A/V work for rich people and it has gotten to the point where I can pretty much predict which channel they want their new sooperdooper multimedia 3D flat screen tuned to when we are ready to unveil the final product.
If my customers are old, white and bitter - it's a certainty that Faux News is what they request we tune the TV to upon startup.
How people with so much money can be so stupid is a mystery to me. To a person, not one realizes that Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch - the National Enquirer Australian version of W.R. Hearst.
Remember Citizen Kane?
If there is no news - make some up. Some idiot will believe it.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Jul 30, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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Ricky D - "If there is no news - make some up. Some idiot will believe it."
...and they will be lead by it!!!
Couldn't agree with you more on that point.
cheers
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 30, 2010 - 04:41pm PT
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blue & Cragman, I know your memories are pretty shot for various reasons, but you both made statements to the effect that, by virtue of sheer viewership & numbers, that FauxNews therefore reflected the positions of the majority of Americans.
I countered (several times, and others did, too) that sheer numbers do not make the position of those masses any more valid or 'correct'. For starters, there are actually a few FauxNews viewers out there that see through most of their bullsh#t. (No, I don't think either of you fit in that category.)
I can't imagine that the parallel I was drawing was lost on either of you, but since you asked, I'll clarify: the Nazi movement had a great majority in Germany, in large part due to the media propaganda that abounded at that time- the masses held a view that, in retrospect, was disastrous.
Likewise, Jesus was seen as a heretic and persecuted by the masses- a much smaller percentage knew he was a prophet. Once again, the masses held a view that was, in retrospect, 'wrong'.
Get it now?
You both know damn well that if the circumstances were reversed, and NPR held the largest share of cable news viewership, you would be making exactly the same argument. (Minus the 'Jesus' parallel.)
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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Well, it's settled:
Fox News to move to front-row White House briefing room seat
By Elise Viebeck - 08/01/10 04:50 PM ET
The White House Correspondents Association voted unanimously Sunday afternoon to move Fox News to the front row of the White House briefing room.
The seating change was prompted by the resignation of veteran UPI reporter Helen Thomas.
According to Ed Henry, the senior White House correspondent for CNN and member of the WHCA board, the Associated Press will move to the front-row middle seat formerly occupied by Thomas.
Fox News will replace the AP in its former seat, also in the front row, and NPR, which lobbied for Thomas' seat along with Fox and Bloomberg News, will take Fox's former seat in the second row.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/112079-fox-news-to-move-to-front-row-briefing-room-seat
What a bunch of political musical chair bullsh#t. It's funny, though, looking at the way this 'solution' is being spun: each side is claiming 'victory', even though it's nothing more than shuffling the chairs. The right says 'yippee, Fox is in the front row!', and the left says 'we kept Fox out of Helen's seat!'
Politics is (are?) silly.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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More that the Associated Press, a large, well-established news media organization with a solid reputatation, took over Ms. Thomas' seat, symbolically the 'power' seat, and that Fox News, a large, not very credible, infotainment organization, was given a front row seat simply due to its size.
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