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Captain...or Skully
climber
Where are you bound?
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Oct 12, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
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And this, too, will change. Change is the constant.
WE are variable.
Good luck.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Oct 12, 2011 - 11:52pm PT
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Bruce Kay - the fact that you are permanently limp is not evidence
of a pending ice age climate change. See your MD for stronger viagra dude.
good luck on your problem.
cc
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 13, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
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Bruce
You've already got your answer. See "Why We Resist The Truth About Climate Change" which you posted before. These are not climate change "skeptics" they're Deniers, willfully. Their earth is flat and is the center of the universe.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Oct 14, 2011 - 03:07pm PT
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Data from 70's space probes vs the data from more recent ones shows dramatic climate change on other planets in our solar system as well, since the 70's/ Global climate change is real, but it is hard to say how much is due to man-made factors, and how much due to other things we don't fully understand. But we can all agree that man-made environmental degradation is very real.
I heard that Kilamenjaro's glacier has shrunk tremendously.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 14, 2011 - 04:16pm PT
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Aspen, the "climate change on other planets" line is an urban myth, stitched together out of fragments from actual science. Most people don't read the science, but here's a common-sense, skeptical question you could ask: If it's hard to detect climate change on Earth, how on earth do you think they could have detected it on other planets? The short answer is, they haven't, and can't. What they have detected turns out to be a lot less exciting, as run down in the note below from Skeptical Science (with links to research in the original).
This is a round-up of the planets said by sceptics to be experiencing climate change:
Mars: the notion that Mars is warming came from an unfortunate conflation of weather and climate. Based on two pictures taken 22 years apart, assumptions were made that have not proved to be reliable. There is currently no evidence to support claims that Mars is warming at all. More on Mars...
Jupiter: the notion that Jupiter is warming is actually based on predictions, since no warming has actually been observed. Climate models predict temperature increases along the equator and cooling at the poles. It is believed these changes will be catalysed by storms that merge into one super-storm, inhibiting the planet’s ability to mix heat. Sceptical arguments have ignored the fact this is not a phenomenon we have observed, and that the modelled forcing is storm and dust movements, not changes in solar radiation.
Neptune: observations of changes in luminosity on the surface of both Neptune and its largest moon, Triton, have been taken to indicate warming caused by increased solar activity. In fact, the brightening is due to the planet’s seasons changing, but very slowly. Summer is coming to Neptune’s southern hemisphere, bringing more sunlight, as it does every 164 years.
Pluto: the warming exhibited by Pluto is not really understood. Pluto’s seasons are the least understood of all: its existence has only been known for a third of its 248 -year orbit, and it has never been visited by a space probe. The ‘evidence’ for climate change consists of just two observations made in 1988 and 2002. That’s equivalent to observing the Earth’s weather for just three weeks out of the year. Various theories suggest its highly elliptical orbit may play a part, as could the large angle of its rotational axis. One recent paper suggests the length of Pluto’s orbit is a key factor, as with Neptune. Sunlight at Pluto is 900 times weaker than it is at the Earth.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Oct 14, 2011 - 06:57pm PT
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You Warmists are so pathetic, getting your panties in a bunch over nothing.
All your climate scare mongering might be redefined as terrorist activity one of these days so be careful.
Why not? Sweet payback for redefining CO2 as pollution.
Anyway you build dams to catch the water if the glaciers melt - problem solved.
Btw: India and China are doing this big time already so no need to even mention the Himalaya again except for trip reports.
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dudesir
Mountain climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Oct 14, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
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I can't attest to the veracity of the science, but we are certainly enjoying working w/ David, providing post-production of the images and advising him on gigapixel techniques. He just launched his website, glacierworks.org, and we have finally put some of the interactive gigapixel panos up on our site at xrez.com. The images are terribly exciting to study from a climber's perspective, and may among be the most resolute taken of the Himalaya yet. At some point we'll have a large region in an interactive form similar to Google Earth, but much higher resolution.. Come take a look-
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Oct 15, 2011 - 01:56am PT
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Dudesir,
Thanks for the excellent links and the spectacular gigapixel pictures. Truly awesome.
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