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pc
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2005 - 07:35pm PT
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Naw. It was Jody ;)
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Nov 22, 2005 - 07:44pm PT
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"K-Rove, the God of Christianity is the only one that asks for NOTHING but faith in Him. ALL other religions in the world, including Islam, require you to DO something to work your way into Heaven. That is what sets true Christianity apart from all the other religions of the world. Once you give your life to God, the Christian life and goodness that comes with it should show in that persons life. If it doesn't, maybe they aren't sincere. "
How is giving your life to God, the Christian life and goodness that comes with it is not 'doing anything?'
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pc
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2005 - 07:55pm PT
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Thump
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Hootervillian
climber
Ponderosa, NV
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Nov 22, 2005 - 08:04pm PT
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can't just get tickets at the door anymore, you have to Fandango.
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pc
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 22, 2005 - 08:28pm PT
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"...All you have to do is ask Him into your life..."
But...
"...What follows is a lifelong journey of change and growth as you get to know God better through Bible reading, prayer and interaction with other Christians. etc. etc."
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 22, 2005 - 08:29pm PT
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radical,
Shouldn't that be "where the deer and the antelope pray..."
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pc
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2005 - 08:38pm PT
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I'd like to ask climbers into my life because I'd like to get to Yosemite 'cause that's my heaven. I've been there, smelled that. It's nice.
I don't need anything else in my life because with my friends, family, and places like Yosemite to visit, I'm complete. No leaps necessary. (except Lover's Leap;)
pc
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Nov 22, 2005 - 08:59pm PT
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Jody what gets you into heaven is having a 'born again experience.' There is no living of life necessary, you can be a serial mass genocidal murderer and accept Jesus 10 minutes before you die and you're dancing with Peter.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 22, 2005 - 09:02pm PT
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Lois, I never would have guessed you'd side with the damned - there you are, surprised me again...!
Jody, again, why your god? In the last 10,000 years there have been a countless number of gods proferred by a relentlessly churning vat of civilizations. I can't think of a single thing that makes yours any more unique than any other...
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Nov 22, 2005 - 09:05pm PT
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Right...I can't see how that uniquely Christian trait (don't know that it is but I'll take your word for it) is anything to crow about.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Nov 22, 2005 - 09:14pm PT
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healyje, well it isn't really. While the majority of the world's people are (now) "Christian" they are divided up into thousdands of little sects that all worship in different ways. A minority of Christians believe in the fundamentalism that Jody does, and even those that do can't all agree on how it should be done. The thing that they seem to agree on most is that their is one way...their way. That is the only reason that I speak with *any* disrespect about it at all.
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Ouch!
climber
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Nov 22, 2005 - 09:16pm PT
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pc
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2005 - 09:51pm PT
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Jody,
Are we close to being seeds for you yet? ;)
pc
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Nov 22, 2005 - 10:37pm PT
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Jody, it's interesting that belief that God died for your sins is your only prerequisite for being a good Christian. That, in and of itself, does not lead all people to good lives, works, and thoughts. Most people I know who believe themselves saved are anything but.
It's the inherent solipsism that made me turn from religion. Me, me, me. People are the center. Better yet, people that believe what I believe.
And that's where it all goes downhill.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Nov 22, 2005 - 10:38pm PT
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"K-Rove...what good would any religion be if those that believed in it didn't think it was the right way? Most people believe their religion is THE right way, until something comes along that plants the seeds of doubt into their mind. It happens to some people, and to others it doesn't. "
Well Jody I was confirmed in a Christian church and before I was confirmed our minister took us to Boston for a long weekend to tour as many different places of worship as possible. Hari Krishna temples, Catholic cathedrals, Christian Scientists, Scientology, Baptist...everything we could fit in. He told us "the world is full of different religions that are right for different people. Before you choose to become a full member of our church, you should know what else is out there so that you can decidced if maybe there wasn't something else that would better suit you."
The world is full of people who see their religions as right for them, and are happy to allow others to worship as they may.
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Nov 22, 2005 - 10:47pm PT
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K-Rove, I am impressed.
Jody, don't bother with me. I absolutely know that you're fighting the dog pile. There are some inherent warrants in monotheistic religion that I reject and there's not much that can be done about that.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 23, 2005 - 01:15am PT
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Jody,
You don't get to take a breath when you're underwater during a baptism, well this is a digital anti-baptism so hold your breath...
As for "why your god", you have to admit that's a pretty weak as what distinquishes your religion as the one, true religion out of all the ones that have ever existed in this world since we developed language. I mean, just look in the phone book under "churches" in Bishop, CA. How many denominations are in that tiny town? And how is it that each and every one of them is the only one, true faith by which you can be saved and all the others are wrong. What kind of god would force people to wade through an endless parade of churches all claiming to be "the" one? So one is right and all the others are charletons, is that what you're claiming here?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 23, 2005 - 01:46am PT
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Jody,
Excuse me, but once again, there is no evidence of any kind that Jesus or anyone else ever rose themselves or anyone else from the dead. The bible? Please, Harry Potter is taking a pretty good run at it as fiction goes and is better written and absolutlely no less plausible to boot. Don't you suppose the Greeks and Romans believed the written word about their gods? Did your god vanquish their gods or do you think their gods simply didn't exist and yours does? And hey, that would be a simple test for god - raise Reagan or Kennedy or the Pope - anybody - from the dead and have them go on Larry King. Wouldn't it be simple for god to prove he exists in some concrete and straightforward way? Maybe stop war, rape, infantcide, or guns from working for just a day, take your pick...
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426
Sport climber
The Pet Sematary, TN
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Nov 23, 2005 - 01:48am PT
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Burning Question:Are Mormons Christian?
If anyone cares, I'm ignostic, the ultimate fence sitter. No, it's not a typo, wiki that chit.
(In line at the movie, didn't use that Fandango).
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