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Ben Emery
Trad climber
Australia via Bay Area via Australia...
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A bit of a bump and a logistics question...
On multi-day routes I've just peed off the edge in the past, avoiding the route as best I can.
My buddy and I recently decided to do the right thing while on the leaning tower and carry out our pee to avoid helping Ahwahnee ledge smelling any worse than it does already (if that's possible without carting a bucket of dead shrimp up there).
Overnight we filled a 1.25L bottle with a delightful broth and threw it in the pig. Within a few minutes the pig took on a smell normally associated with fertilizer plants or public urinals, and to try getting anything out of it was to risk asphyxiation or at least a certain loss of appetite.
Now it's possible that we're just lousy aims and peed on the outside as well as the inside of the bottle, but I don't think so - the smell of dehydrated, tinned-ravioli-fed wall climber pee seems to manage to permeate plastic (I'd experiment at home to confirm this, but my better half would probably complain and my 4 year old daughter would have far too much fun with the experiment).
How do people manage to carry the stuff out without everything in the haul bag stinking? Do real wall rats just have no sense of smell? Do you use an additional small haul bag for liquid waste? Is there a secret way to make your pee smell of potpourri?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I take a nice whiz before I leave the lodge, and then again when I get back.
After a week on the wall, boy does that feel good!
That's how Burt Bronson taught me to do it.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2013 - 10:23am PT
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I've peed in bottles plenty of times and have never noticed a smell after they were sealed.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"I Love the Smell of Napalm in the Morning, Smells like, Victory."
Pee ce
Karl
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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First world problems indeed.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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So Mark, I'm guessing that you've climbed for 40 years without peeing directly on any cliffs then?
I hate to elevate a urine thread, but lets call this kettle black at least.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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shouldn't we be a little more respectful of the route(s) and other climbers? Edit:1/10
This is coming from the captain of disrespect?
Gawd, yer so upstanding lulz3y. Aren't you just the pillar of respect?
I know a little about climbing El Cap, how about you lulz3y?
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
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Survival's post is no different from Rivet Hanger's logic over on the WeakSauce thread.
RH " Too many holes are bad? then any holes are bad"
S "always peeing on the route and never trying to find another way is bad? then ever peeing on a route is bad"
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It's not about being holier than thou. It's more about just not being rude. One of my strongest memories of my Tribal Dawn solo was getting onto El Cap Tower and being overcome with the stench of urine. I couldn't wait to get off the Nose.
I packed 4+ liters of my urine to the top of Tribal Rite (Didn't start capturing the urine until I got off New Dawn) and though is didn't always capture my urine, I def did when I was directly over or adjacent to The Nose.
I use the 64oz Gatorade bottles and never noticed the smell getting out. I wouldn't throw them in my bag through (lest they get punctured while hauling) but instead have a dedicated catch line for my Wag Bag and my captured urine bottles.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I've only climbed routes on the base of El Cap.
That's what I thought.
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EDIT: Saw your edit. What is disrespect to you? Disagreeing with moronic posts on a climbing website? If so, color me disrespectful. Again, hilulzious.
The way you have treated so many on this site, as a know-nothing n00b, until after 10 avatars to get in the door, you suddenly decide to play nice, but only in a pretend way.
You're a young arrogant punk, and you've been an as#@&%e online for months, and you expect not to get called on it? Other than that you're fine. Carry on son.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I'm tempted to downgrade your 3.2. Careful.
I could give exactly 3.2 flying shits what you have to think about anything I have to say, n00b.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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No, of course I've peed on many routes. On the AO Wall recently we didn't collect our urine since the route is rarely done.
It's all a matter of how often the route gets done.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Hey Mark, ignore all the BS above.
We all appreciate what you do but you got to laugh at how we try to keep things in check sometimes.
Keep up the clean effort! Hopefully it's not a lost cause for all the kids that like museum climbs.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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As far as me not knowing anything, I'll tell you somethings I do know. Don't piss on the ledges where your climbing peers will be sleeping. Don't lend your ice axe to a partner with bad aim.
Wow, really? Thanks n00b, some of us have been practicing these things for close to 40 years.
I'm pretty sure you don't care what anyone has to say, based on your posts of late.
I care what almost everyone on this site has to say, and have maintained a pretty high level of civility, for years, until you.
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Ben Emery
Trad climber
Australia via Bay Area via Australia...
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I've peed in bottles plenty of times and have never noticed a smell after they were sealed.
Hm. Well, I guess that narrows it down to either real wall rats having no sense of smell or us having bad aim... Will persevere.
Genuinely sorry to have revived this thread and for it to have turned into, well, a p*#ssing match.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 10, 2013 - 03:06am PT
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Nutagain! Lmao. I started reading this thread and immediately thought of Dune and the cool suits that the Fremen had. That would be the ticket. I would say that we are not as far from something like that as we think.
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tonym
climber
Oklahoma
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Oct 10, 2013 - 09:02am PT
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Last month my buddy Freddy and me did the NIAD. Coming up onto the short wide section just below Dolt Tower is often times unavoidable groveling. The ledge was super sticky! I knew immediately that whoever spent the night on Dolt was pissing down the route. A few pitches higher we passed a team of four Koreans who spoke almost no English..
Mark, this is a good topic but holds little merit if we can't educate the climbers who come from outside the U.S., some of these people are the biggest offenders of trashing out the Captain.
Cheers,
Oklahoma Tony
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Sonic
Trad climber
Boulder, Co
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Oct 10, 2013 - 11:53am PT
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I dont think it matters if the route gets done a lot or not. Carry your piss off...
Every belay ledge smells like piss up there, even the hanging belays
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