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JesseM
Social climber
Yosemite
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Jun 30, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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So we are going to put two trash cans right next to the Food Storage lockers by this weekend. They are right next to the bus stop, so hopefully that will at least catch some of it. I asked for recycling as well, but was told not at this time (maybe that one will have to go up the chain a bit). I was told that if that didn't seem to be enough space than we could re-address it. I'm just psyched to get the ball rolling.
WB, if the trash cans don't work a dumpster might be put in. We'd just want to decide where to put it.
Thanks, for all of the positive (or negative) feedback, and cheers to Dean for giving me a kick in the ass!
BTW Silver (you're probably exaggerating your position), after traveling extensively, and seeing other cultures where picking up litter in nature is not a part of their norms, I really don't think there is a universal "common sense" about trash. I mean just in our own community folks used to toss their sh-t bags off of El Cap. The climbing community developed a different way of packing it out, and we are in the late stages of establishing this as the norm on Big Walls. There are still those that don't follow this ethic, but the more and more we educate and peer pressure those exceptions, the better the situation gets.
Over the last 8 years of working in the Park I have seen great strides with education to wilderness or front country users. Especially in the groups that didn't previously prioritize picking up litter as part of their nature experience. It's hard to see sometimes because the improvements are incremental.
Ken, do you think the Facelift might educate a few people about trash, recycling, and stewardship? :) yep
Jesse
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:03am PT
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At one time there was a trash can at the along the road at El Cap Meadows.
It was always full.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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hey there say, many thanks to bullwinkle, jesse, ken and werner...
here's hoping ...
now, as someone said, folks need to use them, next---and, many folks need learn forsight and planning, and, learn to care for the great outdoors...
wow...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 30, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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hey there all... say, i was just curious, as someone posted a sign, and fine, just a bit ago, and it got me to thinking:
there are signs that mention fines for littering, on roadways...
so i am now curious, is there fines for littering in national parks, or not... if there is, would posted signs, in store, restaurants, or whatever, tourist shops, etc, help, or not?
or posted some how?
just curious, had never thought on this, as i had always just kept my kids from littering... sadly, another person in the family, may have now changed all their habits :( ...
(mockery and bad examples, sure taint kids when done at vulnerable times)... :(
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 30, 2010 - 02:33am PT
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Way to get things done friends.
Kudos to Jesse, who follows in fine style in a tradition of exemplary individuals who deserve one of the world's plumb (except for money) jobs.
WB, if the trash cans don't work a dumpster might be put in. We'd just want to decide where to put it.
An idea, if it comes to that, Obviously a dumpster is a resource that will add work and work means money. Isn't there a dumpster at the bridalveil parking lot? I might be worth check how much use that gets there. If it's underused and the trash cans going in get overfilled, a switch might not demand extra stops to the dumpster bros and everybody's happy
Peace
karl
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
from the Leastside
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Jun 30, 2010 - 03:58am PT
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With the trashcans in place , we are now ready for flush toilets and a slice-of-pizza / beer kiosk(s) too . Just you wait .
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:35am PT
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You might jest or you might be right.
Let's not forget that the valley transportation plan calls for a multi-lane staffed checkpoint between MIddle Cathedral and El Cap to turn traffic around to reroute them to satellite parking areas. That's bound to impact the situation at El Cap and Cathedral, both from the stone and on the road.
The major bright point in the above is that I doubt they'll ever have the money and approvals to implement it all.
The dark point is that all decisions made have to be made as if this was the future we are planning for. (except for short term band-aids which is most of what happens)
Government, It's enough to make a republican out of a guy
Peace
Karl
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 30, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
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bien trabajo Jesse
hope this is an improvement.
clearly what often happens in those el cap meadow bear boxes is less than what was envisioned when they were installed. one possibility is that the boxes fill up simply because there is nobody emptying them?
i always see the piles of coleman "disposable"(?) propane empties, stacked several high, right by the recycling bins at the campgrounds, and i hafta wonder if the inevitable reality won't be perpetually full trash cans as targets for thoughtless trash stackers, leaving stuff by the side to just blow around, so not a huge change from how the bear boxes are treated...
guuud luck!!
=)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 30, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
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There now seems to be a designated collection point/container at the Camp 4 garbage/recycling area, for Coleman-type propane cylinders.
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jstan
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 07:33pm PT
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Does anyone have a problem with my making an attempt to be fair and balanced? Should I use different words?
It is just as mixed up out there as it is in here. Two or three Facelifts ago I was picking stuff up in El Cap Meadow. One group was out in the beaten down grass with a frisbee. i asked if it belonged to anyone. No one said a word. Then as I was depositing it in my garbage sack one spoke up and said it was his. I said, "Oh. I'm sorry." and moved on. Point made.
Out on the road people in some number began to bend down themselves, pick stuff up and bring it to me. Smiles on every last face.
Just as no group is all right. So too is no group all wrong.
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schwortz
Social climber
"close to everything = not at anything", ca
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Jul 25, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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just got back from a nice trip to the valley with my folks who are visiting from back east
while on my way to hang out in the meadow i noticed that there were now two garbage cans next to the bear boxes at el cap bridge
i didnt notice them two weeks ago....so i guess they just went in
looks like jesse's request came through
thanks
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 25, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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hey there say, schwortz... say, i just saw this post up here again, and jumped in to see its going...
thanks for the share...
:)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 25, 2010 - 11:56pm PT
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Somewhat on topic, several have mentioned the use of the El Capitan bridge bear lockers for indefinite storage for all sorts of things. Some of which pretty gross.
I wonder if a simple solution would be to require that everything placed in those lockers be in a suitable container (box, bag, cooler), labelled with the owner's name, the date on which it was left, the date on which it will be removed, and perhaps a phone number? It would then be a relatively simple nuisance to clear out the stale-dated stuff every week or so.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 12:11am PT
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What's the matter with you?
You are dreaming again.
The real world does not operate like this .....
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 26, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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hey there say, Wbraun.... happy good eve to you, this supertopo eve...
ps. say, if you see chappy or matt chapman, give them a "hey there"
from ol' sis neebee (well, lizzy/beth, to them)... :))
once again, happy good eve, and to merry, as well...
and happy yosemite week, to you!
god bless...
:)
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