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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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May 29, 2010 - 03:51am PT
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This is terrible.
I will now go, like Palin, and go Commando on this, and be effective.
People, you can see the Wizdumb of the Arizona Legislature.
Any time we get foreigners on our soil, we have trouble.
So, we need to be virulent and possibly crazy, but we need to stop those outsiders.
Didn't we fight for our land? And don't we deserve to hold it?
PEOPLE! Those so-called 'people' are scum. And not worthy of our land.
The latest incident, which I hope will be forwarded to either a fag's ex-wife with a blog, or a demented fat slug addicted to oxycotin, is this:
AT NO TIME CAN YOU INVADE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
(Editor's Note) - please delete any record of Tom's rant. Political politeness issues aside, his view on this issue borders on rampant craziness. The people controlling his writing want everyone to know that everything is going to be OK, and there is no need for alarm. He has been summarily fired, and will never write again.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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May 29, 2010 - 10:01am PT
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I admit I was a little turned off by the inscription on ZM.
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G-ram
Trad climber
revelstoke
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May 29, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
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I thought it was kinda neat, if I was wandering around my home mountains, and was high on a cliff and saw inscribed poetry or a memorial, I would be very excited. I guess that because my mountains ARE wilderness. Yosemite, while wild adventure abounds doesn't seem like wilderness to me. More of an athletic park. If you were several days into the backcountry of the sierras and came across something like this it would seem a beautiful reminder that there are other people out there.
I guess the motivations are pure. It's better to alter the rock out of compassion and longing for a human relationship than pounding bolts somewhere solely for the ego.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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May 29, 2010 - 03:46pm PT
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Maybe if the Koreans had died on the route or something. Otherwise I don't see how it belongs at the p15 belay...
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icegang
Big Wall climber
Seoul,Korea
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May 31, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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First of all, I would like to apologize for that matter as a Korean climber.
As a person who loves mountains and nature, I am sure that I feel the same way if I find flaw on a valuable wall.
Those are Korean characters and the names of two Korean climbers, who accidently fell and died at “Thaley Sagar” in Pakistan in 1998.
They were the co-founders of “Extreme Rider”, a rock-climbing school in Korea established in 1997 and the pioneers in big wall climbing in Korea.
Now many succeeding rock climbers are working actively all around the world.
For your understanding, I introduce their climbing history shortly.
1994 El-Cap Triple Direct
El-Cap Excalibur
Half Dome Direct Northwest Face
1996 El-Cap Nose(in a Day)
El Cap Lost in America
El Cap Heart Sunkist
1997 El-Cap Aurora(descending by Paragliding)
El-Cap Zodiac(in a day)
Pakistan Trango Tower New Route KOREA FANTASY(Descending by Paragliding)
1998 Canada Bugaboo"Snow Patch Spire"
Pakistan Thaley Sagar---Falling from Snow Field of Summit
After the accident, a person who was their friend and had a plan to climb the El-Cap did it.
I am sure that it was neither taking down a foreign country, nor an arrogant behavior.
They had never done that before even though they had climbed Yosemite several times for 1994 through 1997.
I am not a representative and a spokesman of Korean climbers, but I will do my efforts to ensure that such an act will not happen again.
I sincerely apologize again and understand the situation.
I.C.Kang
A Korean Climber
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tokyo bill
Social climber
tokyo
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May 31, 2010 - 02:22am PT
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Compliments to icegang for a well-written, informative and thoughtful response.
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bmacd
climber
Relic Hominid
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May 31, 2010 - 02:28am PT
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Suprise ending to this thread. Well done Icegang.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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May 31, 2010 - 09:40am PT
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Sad story I.C., thanks for putting it into context. RIP Korean wallers.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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May 31, 2010 - 11:31am PT
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Yes, the Ying and the Yang of everything. . .
That candy wrapper is a reminder too - wow someones been here - how romantic.
For me, limiting my/our impact in everyway we can seems reasonable as the numbers of "visitors"continues to increase.
Just like limiting the bolts, firerings etc.
I admit I find the "historic" grease pictographs at City of Rocks a bit amusing but the petroglyphs of the native peoples interesting. It is a dbl standard. But, aren't we now aware that this is defacement? Depends on your perspective. But why not leave a clean slate?
Its true, the notice of prior presence can be interesting and sometimes tells a story.
I find empty landscapes - void of our presence immensely spiritual.
The lack of "attachments", signatures of our culture, allows/prompts a connection to nature. I'm not saying you can't find it amidst the balanced rock sculptures. I find I am more relaxed without the stimulus.
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hooblie
climber
from where the anecdotes roam
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May 31, 2010 - 12:11pm PT
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second what fuzzy said. should be axiomatic by now.
even laying in some turns on a virgin slope causes me a tinge of regret, though that adds incentive to make them "pretty," tucking the steps along the margin or out of frame, hope for blessed snow to cover and fix it. sweep the corn at the right time of day, and the pallet is cleansed by tomorrow. part of why snow feels like play.
the stone though carries a heavier burden, bears the pain of our passage on a different scale, from zero to our kind of forever
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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May 31, 2010 - 12:33pm PT
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Im more worried about what Tom said.
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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May 31, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
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Given Icegang's comments with the rest of the story I can fully understand why a partner would make such an inscription. Rather auspicious coming on Memorial Day. Losing climbing friends is hard. You want to do something to remember them so I can understand why. I certainly would not condemn their inscription but nor would I condone it. It is what it is. BTW you find such memorials all over the Alps - some right along the routes. Given Mark brought the subject up, ever see the memorial marker along Cooper's Spur on Mt. Hood?
Much better than Bullwinkle masturbated here or Dick screwed Winnie or like the recent fad at IC of chipping plaques. Or the boulders leaving ticks marks on every hold like a 3 year old's connect the dot game.
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Fuzzywuzzy
climber
suspendedhappynation
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May 31, 2010 - 02:24pm PT
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Hoobie -
I was thinking about beaches without footprints or debris.
Snow - as you said, clean, immaculate. It simplifies the horizon and gives us something without clutter, fences...
"...What have we done to the earth, what have we done to our fair sister..."
Easy to see why others have different opinions. But nothing beats cleanliness IMHO.
Its easy to mess it up.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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May 31, 2010 - 03:42pm PT
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Make memorials on private land or at home, but don't put them on public property and especially in a National Park.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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May 31, 2010 - 03:52pm PT
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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May 31, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
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In the end, permanently marking climbs in this fashion is simply equivalent to branding wolverines as if they were being farmed like cattle.
It is misplaced pathos, certainly. Our deaths are, yes, almost always hideous--- unspeakably, unimaginably excrutiating. Right? Don’t you think? It doesn’t get too much worse anywhere.
But then to use this basis---a horrible accident and all the awesome loss and misery we undergo---- to then determinedly make marks in the natural world on surfaces that are somewhere between 10,000 and 6,000,000 million years old---so ancient---and would remain otherwise untouched for another like period, is to absurdly fantasize your supremacy in the cosmos, and that the natural world and all its details are but your vassals at your beckoning. Tiny Mount Rushmores---really?. That our ancients at the very beginning of humankind drew astounding images and talismen on the walls of caves and rocks all over the world for the first time in terrestial history does not mean that today in our crazy galactic life and world we too should make, in mimic, marks that we for a spell, think are as significant but which mean nothing if not today, then in a few years and thus forever. Just more garbage and scars--- more nausea.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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May 31, 2010 - 11:42pm PT
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What do the government regulations say?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 31, 2010 - 11:50pm PT
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The National Park Service normally grants permission to those wishing to scatter cremated remains within the borders of Yosemite National Park.
To receive permission, please send a letter to Special Park Uses, National Park Service, PO Box 700-W, El Portal, CA 95318. Include in your letter your name, address, and daytime phone number. Also include the name of the deceased and his/her relationship to you (e.g., sister, husband, mother, friend, etc.).
With a letter of permission, you may scatter cremated remains with the following conditions:
 All such activity must be done out of sight of any public access, such as roads, trails, parking areas, etc.;
All such activity must be at least 100 yards from any watercourse;
Cremains must be spread over an area large enough that no single portion is accumulated in one place.
No markers of any kind may be left to commemorate the event.
(Highlighting added.)
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Buju
Big Wall climber
the range of light
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coz...
Carving memorials in a "sacred" rock is okay but drilling bolts in a "sacred" rock (SFHD...) is not? Isn't it all just resource damage when it comes down to it?
If everyone carved their lost loved one's names in Yosemite's featues, the park would be covered....
Im not being an AZ-hole...im just curious...
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Chief
climber
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copperhead slots, enhanced hook placements, pin scars, bolts; all good.
graffiti bad. Remember the ancient GEEK!
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