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reddirt
climber
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May 23, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
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doesn't amgen sponsor the tour de cali or something?
got epo?
depending on what's important to you, at least epo won't shrink your nuts like T & analogues will...
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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May 23, 2010 - 02:27pm PT
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Didn't Landis take donations during his lawsuits? Now that he admits he was doping couldn't there be a class action suit against him for fraud?
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arsenalcrater
Trad climber
Vista, CA
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May 23, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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Here is a copy of the now infamous Floyd Landis email.
2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the electricity didn’t turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator. Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my room mate, George Hincapie and I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.
I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe the team “trainer” who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO that we had and discussed the use thereof while training.
Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the team doctor and had no problems with any testing.
2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was brought by “Duffy” who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie and I as the only Americans.
2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before the start so as to not start with a deficit.
2006: Well you get the idea……. One thing of great signigicance is that I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz before agreeing.
There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to proceed with such allegations.
Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can be trusted to do the right thing.
Floyd Landis
Source: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9YV8dMts.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 19, 2011 - 10:25pm PT
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More trouble for Lance:
http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/Former-teammate-says-Lance-Armstrong-used-drugs-051911?GT1=39002
NEW YORK (AP)
A former teammate of Lance Armstrong has told ''60 Minutes'' that he used performance-enhancing drugs with the seven-time Tour de France winner to cheat in cycling races, including the tour.. . . (see more on link)
I said all along (intuition) that I thought they all were doping. Now its coming to light. Too many people coming into the open about the game. Its just the fans that have been duped - the riders all know the score.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 19, 2011 - 10:43pm PT
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I'm on roids like the grapes of wrath and it's time for prep H...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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May 19, 2011 - 11:59pm PT
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This might explain Pates continued craziness: Roid rage.
hmmmmmmmm
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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May 20, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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This is why I like the sport of climbing:
--Not competative
--Almost nobody would pass a drug or breathalizer test
However, there could be controversy if you hung on your pro.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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May 20, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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the best chemist wins.
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BruceAnderson
Social climber
Los Angeles currently St. Antonin, France
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May 20, 2011 - 02:32am PT
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A couple years ago here at the Tour the talk was all about how some riders were taking a substance before stages which stopped urine output then when they came across the line and were escorted to controls one of their handlers would wrap them up in a blanket/jacket then inject clean urine straight into their bladders. gnarly.
For anyone to think Lance wasn't doping is ridiculous. He was still the best though.
The only reason Floyd is being such a tool is that he got caught. I think in 2006 he was likely using transdermal test patches for recovery each night, and either forgot to remove it or never had the chance, resulting in the skewed levels. That would explain the reason he went through so many bottles that day.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 20, 2011 - 07:45am PT
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Once again, at the same time a big race is going on ( two, actually ) - a race Landis and Hamilton aren't a part of - Hamilton and Landis feel the need to interject themselves into the discussion.
What the hell's wrong with them?
I'm ashamed to admit I ever rooted for those two.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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May 20, 2011 - 10:18am PT
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Before his cancer ordeal, he couldn't climb or TT for shet.
not denying doping but losing 20 lbs may have helped his climbing. Also he was one of the first to do a lot of work on areodynamics in wind tunnels for the TT.
Hamilton says "everyone" in the peleton was doping. So why not name the others? Oh, that's right, the others don't get you 60 Minute interviews.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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May 20, 2011 - 10:32am PT
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There is an alternative "non-doping" reason that can explain why Lance became so good...working hard. Did he juice or push the chemical envelope at some point in his career? Probably, but no one, and I mean no one, can deny the guy's work ethics. Read every interview, friends and foe alike, and they all same the same thing, Lance is a machine when it comes to training, planning, and execution of anything cycling related.
He put in the time and effort to be #1, and he became and will most likely always be, the best cyclist the world has ever seen.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 11:12am PT
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So two known cheaters are trying to make money by bringing down the greatest tour rider ever.
What slime balls.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 11:38am PT
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Chief...fact is Lance won seven in a row....dope or no dope after surviving cancer. Beating the best dopers in the world for seven straight years.
What point are you trying to make??
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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May 20, 2011 - 12:09pm PT
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Chief, how can you say Big Mig rode clean? Just because no one is saying otherwise? I have to think all these dudes are painted with the same brush, which to me means that LA is still the best. I think the clean guys all got squeezed out and the guys who were left were all juicin more or less to the same degree, making it a more or less level playing field.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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May 20, 2011 - 12:21pm PT
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Contador is juicing on something, there is no way in hell he can be that much better then the rest of the field in the Giro right now. He has been riding off from them as if he is superman and now is 3 min. ahead!
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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May 20, 2011 - 12:29pm PT
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Americans reward cheaters, have rewarded cheaters and will continue to do so.
I thought this thread was about the Tour de France?
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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May 20, 2011 - 12:37pm PT
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Of course not everyone responds the same way to doping. Nor do they respond the same way to training. Lots of factors enter the scenario, not the least of which is genetics. If the playing field were really level (uh, that's a figure of speech) every event would end with all participants in a tie for first.
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