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Skeptimistic
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Mar 10, 2010 - 12:37pm PT
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Ok, I'll bite- what does 8:54:38 have to do with the impending terrorist plot? The 9'11" tunnel really cinches the deal. These Illuminati are so clever and so powerful.
So Klimmer, what do you suggest a confirmed atheist should do to combat this evil presence (and don't suggest to read the bible - I'm pretty sure it was written by the Illuminati...)
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 10, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
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Klimmer:
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like what you might want to give me. Don't be so sure. There are really some quite stylish straight jackets available now - you'd hardly know the person was being restrained. Any particular colour you'd prefer? I guess green and brown are probably out - wrong connotations.
We will be doing you a great favour. First, you won't be able to post to SuperTopo while in your new togs. Perhaps you have a martyr complex, but that has the side benefits of enabling you to get treatment, rest your fingers, and preventing others from disappearing you. Second, you'll have a lower profile, and not draw attention to yourself - Others are watching, after all. And of course being restrained would be 'proof' of your theories - why would anyone restrain you if they weren't 'true'?
It's for your own good. The Klimmerati have spoken.
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Mar 10, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
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I thought this was very powerful. Thanks EC. Surely this isn't true that all of them have said these things and they're not just out of context quotes?
"Email this list to everyone you know, to prove to them that 9/11 truthers are all dangerous nut cases.
Senior intelligence officers:
Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.
A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.
A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11." (and see this).
A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)
20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (scroll down to Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).
A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job
The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup."
Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) questions the government's version of the events of 9/11.
Congressmen:
According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)
Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"
Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"
Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11
Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11
Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation
Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg says that the U.S. government "assisted" in the 9/11 attacks, stating that "I think there was a lot of help from the inside"
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
9/11 Commissioners:
The Commission's co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up"
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."
And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
Other government officials:
U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time."
Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence."
The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which doubts the government's version of 9/11
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt"
The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated: "If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what they’ve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"
Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government's version of 9/11. "
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Binks
Social climber
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Mar 10, 2010 - 03:07pm PT
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Our response was what created the biggest mess. It might have been a conspiracy, but even if so it's but a small part of the story. Dare I say, minor?
The real story is too weird for almost anyone to believe. Some people were able to get past the DNA blocks using drugs and came back with parts of the real story. In my opinion, some shamans and moderns like McKenna accomplished it, they came back with more information than is normally available. The block is in your own mind, your own DNA is what downgraded, it's not "them, out there". It's what happened to us all, "in here". We lost a big part of our consciousness. Imagine if everyone suddenly went blind, and then 10,000 years had passed and someone told you that you used to have this incredible power that was lost to you. You wouldn't be able to conceive of it. That's what actually happened. Imagine if everyone on earth was suddenly then restored to sight. Can you imagine the turmoil? It could happen when Quetzalcoatl sends the last of the aliens and their infection home.
Weschrist, they're not that far from the truth (the second part of that blurb you posted is pretty much true -the first part is church propaganda), it's just that they don't really understand the story in modern terms and they are wrong about the tempting part. The woman wasn't tempted by the snake, she was captured, and the snake assumed her likeness. Then the replica tempted the male, who had no idea what had happened. This is also the origin of the disconnect between the sexes. Women are sometimes referred to as snakes because of this original substitution, the trauma of which is carried in male DNA like an infection.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 10, 2010 - 03:26pm PT
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Matt Groenig had a hand in it too?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
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For someone who holds the purse strings on financing a movie or has influence on the story or script or backdrops, how hard would it be to say, "Hey, can I design the backdrop for this scene?" Or, "Use this in the scene" and the techs and artists would never be the wiser and they would do what they are asked to do.
The Illuminati have tremendous influence in all forms of business and government that have to do with power and influence.
They don't advertise and say who they are. They hide the truth. They pretend to be who they are not. You or I wouldn't be the wiser.
Many good people who work side by side these people may not even know or have any clue what is going on. They are just doing their job and putting in the scene what is requested and have absolutely no clue.
Wouldn't be hard to do if you had that kind of direct influence in the movie industry, and apparently they have a great amount.
Think about the advertising and product placement in movies. Companies pay big bucks for that. Perhaps the Illuminati does to. They just hide their intentions. Same effect.
Come-on. This isn't that hard to understand is it?
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Binks
Social climber
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Mar 10, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
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Your brain is too asleep to understand. If it weren't you'd see that everything that happens is always reflected in signs. Everything. Not just one catastrophic event. End of story.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 10, 2010 - 04:16pm PT
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Hey,
I found a photo of him whispering instructions to one of his desciples.
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Binks
Social climber
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Mar 10, 2010 - 04:25pm PT
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"And you believe a plane crashing into a high rise is not enough to destroy the building, thus requiring a HUGE conspiracy complete with hidden explosives? Nice!"
Wes- I think you got me mixed up with Klimmer there. I really don't have an opinion one way or another on what happened on 9/11 -other than if it was a "conspiracy", it's a conspiracy who's whole point is distraction. 9/11 does not matter. War, terrorism, manipulation etc came with the aliens. They aren't human generated. The real problem with nearly every human on earth, is what was done to our DNA. The idea of an external conspiracy is, at best, no matter how true or false information of little value while our DNA damage remains. If that gets fixed, the alien influences will probably be completely unveiled. Imagine you were blinded. If you could see, you'd understand immediately. "In the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is King". As long as you can't see, I can describe "the conspiracy", but if we just restored the damage done to your DNA the other problem would be unveiled fully. I do have an opinion on the ideas of the Illuminati, the Mayan Calendar end date, and what is encoded in the Bible and what it really means. People are picking up on bits and pieces of the real story, and fabricating the rest. Nonetheless, there IS a real story of these events. The whole reason I'm posting here is it's kind of interesting to see if anyone can actually pick up when the truth is being spoken in the midst of a really warped lie. If you have the sense turned on, "things light up" even if the information is from highly questionable sources, even if most of the information needs discarded or is deliberately obfuscated, set "slightly off kilter" as it were.. Klimmer isn't entirely wrong. When he says God can fix the damage, that's a reference to the fact that it IS possible to fix the damage to your own DNA. The access keys to what was shut off are available once a certain vibrational "security clearance" is obtained. You don't need anybody else or any organization to obtain the authorization, you just have to clear systematically the hateful programming that came with the aliens (the hateful negative emotions, any tendencies to do evil to yourself or your fellow man or other living things) -those aren't human. If you remove the non-human programs from your system, the DNA damage can be fixed. So if you think about "the conspiracy", it's a conspiracy to keep generating hate, war and fear on such a scale that it gets harder and harder for people to fix the damage to their own systems and fix their DNA. They are being flooded with the alien energy. That stuff causes shut down of our DNA, it's incompatible with the human program. That stuff has to be cleared out of our system! The conspiracy is just to generate so much background hate, fear, and suffering to prevent that from happening. Nonetheless, I think their time is almost up, because their secrets are now known and being communicated and people are fixing the damage bit by bit.
Even if you think I'm "pulling your leg", if you grok what I'm saying, you can use the information to say something more clearly yourself. I welcome any new and useful information.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 10, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
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I'm convinced Rudy 9ui11iani was behind it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2010 - 06:55pm PT
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No better way to destroy the Church of GOD than to work from the inside out. It is even worse than that article eludes too. Lucifer is no slacker. He works hard to destroy what GOD has created.
See and listen to the testimony of Svali. She was Illuminati. She knows. Now she is in hidding, protected by Children of GOD who care for her.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Mar 10, 2010 - 07:04pm PT
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Don't you people know ANYTHING? It was Locker, Weld-It and LEB!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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WC,
Well, when you meet him one day you can ask him just that question.
Good luck on that.
(Just a little advice -- You might want to reconsider)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 10, 2010 - 08:00pm PT
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I dunno, Wes, Svali has more creds, than say, Al Gore and his buddy Hansen.
Wait...maybe it was Svali who leaked those e-mails that proved the Global Warming idiots were cooking the books, and the Illuminati are behind the scam as part of the global takeover.
it's all coming together now....Thanks, Wes.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Mar 10, 2010 - 08:27pm PT
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Klimmer, wake up!
It scares me that you are teaching our kids.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Mar 10, 2010 - 08:57pm PT
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Who's really behind 9-11? Could it be Satan?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 10, 2010 - 09:02pm PT
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I like Klimmer... but yeah he's a nut.
:D
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 10, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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Isn't it obvious that Klimmer was really behind 11/9, or as Americans like to call it, 9-11? His endless incredible theories are a false flag operation, intended to throw us off the scent. Yup, when you look behind the curtain, there's Klimmer.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Mar 10, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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11/9? You Canadians (or is it Canadiens?)sure have a funny way of putting things.
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