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Robb

Social climber

The Greeley Triangle

Feb 22, 2010 - 12:47pm PT

Reilly,
Of course not.After shooting lessons we had driving lessons!
Ain't rasin' up no helpless females!

climber

Feb 22, 2010 - 12:52pm PT

Coz, So regular folks should be taking a gun into the wilderness to protect themselves from all the scary things in that wilderness, eh? To me this is the same as advocating a drill on your rack when you're climbing Nutcracker. 'I'll only do it if the route attacks...er...is too difficult for me, in self defense.'

I don't agree. Folks go in to the wilderness, folks take their chances. If they're not up for it, don't go. Just don't bring the wilderness down to their level if it gets tough.

$.02 from a anti gun wing nut,
pc

Studly

Trad climber

Feb 22, 2010 - 12:53pm PT

oh yeah, the big bad bear is going to get you. Bears usually run away where they see you, and if they don't, then you have that option. Don't wear perfume or carry smelly foods when you hike in grizzly country if you are so worried. Do you really hike in Grizzly country that much?? Sheezus, get real.

anneke

Trad climber

Monterey, CA

Feb 22, 2010 - 12:57pm PT

Why is it that in people's arguments for the "right to bear arms" they invariably gloss over the "well-regulated militia" part of the statement. The National Guard--that's well-regulated militia. A gun in my (or your or that guy over there's) backpack isn't. Grumble.

kev

climber

A pile of dirt.

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:12pm PT

Hey, what's the capital of Kalifornistan - Is it the peoples republic of Bezerkley?

Minerals,

If not the 40cal, what? Preferably something good for crowd and tourist control no?

kev

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:12pm PT

Why is it that in people's arguments for the "right to bear arms" they invariably gloss over the "well-regulated militia" part of the statement.

Constitutional scholars recognise that the preamble bears less weight than the direct statement.

"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

I won't argue that many folks will gloss over what they do not understand. But in the case of this sentence the preamble explains the need, the body or statement expresses the intent.

Captain...or Skully

Social climber

Last clip of Lichen Lunch

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:14pm PT

Hey, we need some more of that troll feed over here.
They're still hungry.

Word, coz.

d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:16pm PT

i'm sittin' here trying
to visualize the leb
poppin' caps in anything
let alone a grizz.

"you stop you,
or i'll shoot
by golly!"

Captain...or Skully

Social climber

Last clip of Lichen Lunch

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:20pm PT

Haha!

Right on, D-Know.
You crack me up. Thanks.

Captain...or Skully

Social climber

Last clip of Lichen Lunch

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:22pm PT

Black widows are WEB spiders.
Stay out of the web & you're safe.

xtrmecat

Big Wall climber

Kalispell, Montanagonia

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:22pm PT

Alrighty then. Timmy Trednotsowell, died as a result of stupidity, and although it may look like a good arguement, the end result was quite predictable, as most of us who knew of this dumbsh1t before the fatal atack predicted it.

I live in and partake of activities that have a legit need of a firearm to protect me, in a national park and otherwise. I cannot see of any need to carry it in any Cali park other than protection from two legged no gooders. Up here we have pepper spray to keep dem bears offen us. And I do trust it with my life, literally. Problem is, statisticaly speaking, griz issues after dark are predatory in nature. What that means to lay folk is you are on the menu after dark, period. You can only reply to an encounter with a griz under these circumstances with everthing at your disposal, or just submit. I am under a cover of some sort, almost always a tent, we've got enough skeeters to take you out, too. Pepper spray is useless through any type of cover. It is nice to be able to finally legaly do what is done with what some of you might call "alarming regularity" already. I will not hesitate to try the issue of what is right, and try out the law if encountered at night. As I have explained to my father, I would gladly tell the judge what I did, and be grateful to be alive to pay any consequence he would have for me. Always better than the alternative.

Yes, it already happens, and you didn't even hear about it in the media either. No killing, hunting, or crime wave. Nothing to see here folks. Non event. Cannot carry it to the curry ice cream store. Never could, and still cannot. Must have a concealed carry to have it, and it will be concealed, just like it has been for years already. Only legal now. That is all.

And DMT, you got a way with words, or lures, I forget which. I honestly doubt a little evening noise will anger a legal gun toting camper to the edge of insanity, even by the rowdiest of drunken climbers/tourists. But it would make for a dramatic newscast for tonight, that is if it happens. Gotta wait and see, and then talk about the big crime wave.

Sheesh, course I have spent some time in Yosemite, and met a lot of folks there that would be better off without access to anything more dangerous than a paper clip, which is by the way, legal to carry in the open. All joking aside, nothing different. Just the way it should have been(and kind of was) all along.

Bob

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:25pm PT

Um, I'll be using AT bindings, btw...

Are those the 50 cal bindings Dingus, or the 45s?

Speaking as a Canadian, who is liberal about some things, and who has survived a three-day bear nightmare, I'm kind of partial to the idea of being able to bear arms in bear country.

But I'm also partial to the idea of not being shot by some idiot who's packing a gun but not packing any brains.

Would it be the beginning of the end of the Republic to make the right to keep and bear arms conditional on some demonstration of responsibility? Like taking a course in firearms safety? And also making the right something that can be lost? (And I don't mean only if you're a convicted killer on death row.)

Can one of you Yankees enlighten me on this? Are there conditions that have to be met before you can walk into a gun shop and come out armed to the teeth?

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:26pm PT

Uhhh, maybe because some of us actually know something about the law, and we know that right to bear arms is an individual right, notwithstanding the prefatory "well-regulated militia" clause in the 2nd Amendment.
Some of us know this because we read the recent decision of the United States Supreme Court which says this.

So before feeling smug and "grumbling" about what you think are other deficiencies in other people's knowledge, you might want to get at least a very slight clue yourself. You can start with reading the Heller opinion.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=16951880247186889053&q=second+amendment+right+bear+arms+columbia&hl=en&as_sdt=4003

Edit: the above is consistent with Ksolem's post, which I hadn't noticed when I wrote mine. He in a nutshell explains the reasoning of the Court in Heller.

reddirt

climber

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:26pm PT

w/o having read posts 21-80, and someone knowledegable please feel free to correct, most handguns aren't gonna stop a grizz.

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Captain...or Skully

Social climber

Last clip of Lichen Lunch

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:26pm PT

How did this page get sooooo wyde?

Reilly

Mountain climber

Monrovia, CA

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:32pm PT

most handguns aren't gonna stop a grizz.

True, but this one will:

xtrmecat

Big Wall climber

Kalispell, Montanagonia

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:33pm PT

Redirt, yes you are correct. Most handguns will not stop a griz intent

on eating you. That is why most of us do not just take any ole gun with

us out and about. We select the right one, and load the ammo accordingly.

Bob

xtrmecat

Big Wall climber

Kalispell, Montanagonia

Feb 22, 2010 - 01:37pm PT

I can also see how most of you folks here see it the way you do.

I have been a visitor to your part of the country many times, and having

been other place also, can certainly see why the opinions are the way they

are. No intention of offending anyone, just stating what is very obvious

from here. Too many people, in too close of quarters.

Bob