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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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. Where is the outcry when a thread bashing a political view gets thousands of replies. Why the hippocracy? Why the knee jerk hate? You out to be ashamed of yourselves.
Chip, you must not be paying close attention. There have been loads of threads about off topic threads. Russ basically gave up on the taco because of OT threads. There was a big push to put all politics in one thread, which is why we have that monster. So don't take it too hard that some folks get irritated. Lately there has been a lot of Christian/bible/religious threads and a few posters posting a fair amount of bible type stuff and so some of the natives are restless. Hopefully we can all learn to be respectful of each others needs and strike a balance.
This is a current favorite passage.
I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would you were cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3 15-16
It speaks to me because I spent many years being pissed off at God, the church, and religion. It is difficult to nearly impossible for God to wake up a person who is lukewarm. They just don't care, so they don't hear the voice of God. Now that I know this, I don't get upset when some try to shut down peoples experience. I know they are the ones closest to being awakened. Will they wake up? I have no idea. I surrender that to God.
People who rail against God no longer upset me. The thing that upsets me the most today is how far off Jesus' teachings the current religious establishment is. There is so much arrogance among so called christians today. They think they are going to heaven because they have professed Jesus. Too bad all teachings about reincarnation was taken out of the bible back in the 4th century. People wouldn't be so arrogant if they understood that they would be coming back here until they fully put on the Christ mind. You don't get a pass on poor behavior just because you accepted Jesus as your savior, nor are good works the sole measure. It is the purity of the heart that is the measure. Lots of us are going to be coming back here to continue to work on that.
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Gene
Social climber
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mt10910,
Can't find the verse you referenced. Psalm 4:73(?) Can you check for me?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Commandment XI: Preach not, lest ye be preached at.
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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If they want a Christian thread and you don't like it, don't click on it. Most of the people complaining are using the "it's a climbing website" excuse to cover their hate for the subject.
Flouride - how many posts did you do on the Supreme Court Sellout thread? Not exactly about climbin'.
On the other side - If you don't want to be attacked for your views, I wouldn't post on Supertopo. It is automatic and well known by all that you will be attacked or made fun of.
edit: and with the current trend of animations, one of those will probably be made as well.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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John Moosie- "Lately there's been alot of Christian/bible/religeous threads..."
Where? Name a couple please. I would like to read what everyone is complaining about. I know of only one, and it is anti-Christian. It is called "Creationist take called strike...run to dugout!"
I would enjoy reading one, for there alot of others about yogas, chakras etc, but I haven't sees any Christian ones.
Thankyou very much!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Thanks, Ghost, for the reply.
I've apparently not found the thread to which you refer about posting favorite Bible verses.
If this subject is so odious to so many, why not simply ignore the thread? If you think someone is looking for a fight on the innerancy of Scripture, e.g., why give them what they want?
If, in fact, it's a chance for climbers who care to share passages with particular religious, political or practical significance, I don't see how this differs from any other OT thread. It also makes the efforts to stomp it out that much more unwarranted.
I find it particularly odd that so many are so opposed to the existence of this thread that they feel compelled to post multiple times to tell us to go away. That strikes me as rather counterproductive.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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jstan,
The history of the sects present in Palestine at the time of Jesus is, indeed, quite fascinating. If you have the time, the works of Josephus are quite revealing, although Josephus clearly had a personal axe to grind (he was a Zealot who went over to the Roman side). It also makes it easier to understand how someone could get crucified "for saying that people should be nice to each other for a change" (to quote The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy).
John
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I've apparently not found the thread to which you refer about posting favorite Bible verses.
It's the "creationists take a called strike" thread. It may have started out about creationism, but it has become something of a catch-all thread for things religious, in much the same way as the "What is wrong with republicans" thread has become the catch-all political thread. And favorite bible passages are quoted there. Endlessly.
As for Trpl7's comment that that thread is "anti-christian", well, yes, sometimes it is. But it's also pro-christian. Sometimes it is anti-islam. Sometimes it is pro-hindu. Big deal.
T7 also suggested that it would be nice to have a bible passage thread that wasn't anti-Christian:
I would enjoy reading one, for there alot of others about yogas, chakras etc, but I haven't sees any Christian ones.
Hmmm. If you want a thread that is devoted to only the good things about Christianity, you should go to a moderated Christian web forum. You could start such a thread here, but since this is an open forum, where everyone is able to post to every thread, you can't control the outcome. You are welcome to post your thoughts, others are welcome to post theirs. You feel free to contradict those who post atheistic or non-christian thoughts, right? So why be upset when a non-christian questions your ideas?
Personally, I think this would be a pretty dull place if there were nothing but climbing threads. But it is climbing that is the heart and soul of the place, and keeping the number of political and religious threads down seems like a reasonable idea.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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I find it particularly odd that so many are so opposed to the existence of this thread that they feel compelled to post multiple times to tell us to go away. That strikes me as rather counterproductive.
I don't know why, considering how many are opposed to any off topic threads. Look at how polarized Christianity has made itself. Either you believe in Jesus, or you are going to hell. You can't believe in any other religion if it doesn't put Jesus first. And if you believe in Jesus, then you are going to heaven no matter how you behave. So yep, people feel a bit of anger towards christianity. And Yes, other religions put their figurehead first, but they also have the same problem. It is just that in America, christianity is the main religion, so it takes the brunt of the abuse. Few people in America have had Hindus knocking on their door trying to "save" them. They do get pissed at the Hare krishnas who bugged them for years in airports. Same thing.
Trip7, all the religious threads have some Christian viewpoints in them. Dont make this so hard. Plus there have been plenty of threads started by Christians about God and their faith. Especially back when Jody was posting. I don't feel like looking for them. They stand out in peoples minds because this is such a polarizing topic. It isn't about who started the thread. Most Americans hear "God", they think Christianity and the bible. Many had it rammed down their throats as children and they want nothing to do with it now.
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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Personally, I think this would be a pretty dull place if there were nothing but climbing threads. But it is climbing that is the heart and soul of the place, and keeping the number of political and religious threads down seems like a reasonable idea.
Ghost I agree.
I think we need a moderator. (hahahahahahahaha)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Can you say Double Standard???
Doesn't apply. Think about it. Exactly the same treatment is afforded Confucianism as is afforded christianity.
The fact that nobody has gone all anti-confucious whereas some folks do voice anti-christian thoughts might simply be a reflection of the fact that nobody here is anti-Confucius. There is certainly no rule that we aren't allowed to say bad things about Confucius. And there is no private back-room agreement that Confucians get a free pass whereas Christians get picked on. If anti-Christian sentiment is voiced, that is simply a reflection of the fact that anti-Christian sentiment exists. Do you think people with powerful and heartfelt pro-Christian feelings should be allowed to post on ST, but people with powerful and heartfelt anti-Christian feelings should not?
There is also the fact that the closer to home a subject is, the more likely folks are to voice strong opinions about it. I may think Confucius was a wacko and his followers are delusional, but since confucionism has exactly zero impact on my day to day life, I'm hardly going to get all upset when someone posts a favorite confucius quote.
On the other hand, the beliefs and actions of Christians and Muslims do have a huge impact on most of our lives, so how is it surprising that some folks speak up strongly about Christianity and Islam? It would be weird if there weren't strong pro- and anti- sentiments about those two religions.
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WBraun
climber
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JuanDeFuca hits another one out of ball park.
You all been had and trolled again by the master .......
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Ghost- "Hmnnn, if you want a thread that is devoted to only the good things of Christianity..."
You are full of your self-perceived wisdom Ghost.
I simply asked Moose where are all the "Christian/bible/religious threads that he just alluded to in the post he just made on this thread.
I am not complaining about anything STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO OTHER PEOPLES MOUTH!
Ghost- "Hmnnnn. If you want a thread that is devoted to only the good things of Christianity..."
Hmnnnnn! No!
I was just asking John, where are all these so called Christian threads, what are their titles, the ones "that there have been alot of lately."
Evendently John Moosie says there are alot of them....great. I would like to read one or two, see what I have been missing.
Everyone is complaining about all the Bible and Christian threads that have been taking up room here on S/T, I would like to read one. One that comes from climbers/Mtn. type people that I can identify with on several levels, including climbing.
Who's complaining? Not me!
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Brian
climber
California
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"for love is as strong as death."
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Moosie- "Few people in this country have had Hindus knocking on their doors trying to save them."
I have lived in this country for 50 years and never had a Christian knock on my door and try to "save me", or talk to me or anything else. In the last 20+ years I haven't even had a Christian even give me or offer me anything. It seems pretty damn dead out there actually. Except for all the Atheist complaining about crosses on hills, or the 10 Commandments in courtrooms etc.
Where are all these Christian Fundy's everyone is talking about?
Not one person has walked up to me in 20+ years.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Hee hee. The JW's only knock on my door once. They don't seem to get that being saved is a free gift, and that you don't have to earn your place among the [alleged] 144,000 by knocking on doors. Although I admire their pluck. I always go for that one in Ephesians [2? 8-9? can't remember, bible very dusty] that says you're saved through grace by faith and not by works.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I always go for that one in Ephesians [2? 8-9? can't remember, bible very dusty] that says you're saved through grace by faith and not by works. Lazy bugger. :-)
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hoipolloi
climber
A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
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If i have to keep seeing this at the top of the F**King thread list I am going to kill someone.
Take it here, they give a shit:
http://www.christianforums.com/f370/
I found this one particularly interesting and relevant for myself:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7427963/
I think they will even take LEB along with this thread, they accept everyone over there (as long as you let them brainwash you, too).
edit: Prone to hyperbole.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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John Moosie- "Don't make this so hard."
OK! I misunderstood your "Lately..." You meant with-in the last 3-6 months. I thought you meant currently.
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Gobee
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Upward Bound
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Colossians 1:19-20, For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
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