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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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I'll have an answer for you shortly Rox.
In the mean time, "Say 'ello to my leeetle friend!!"
The ROMAX FUN GUN (no, it is just co-incidence that my initials precede "MAX") is a kit that uses the barrel/receiver/trigger assemblies from two Ruger 10-22s and, far more sensibly than the flashy looking but poorly functioning Cabelas kit that I returned, it mounts them like the old Bren gun*.
The empties "drain" out of the bottom and gravity helps the feed.
(* the Bren was supposed to sport 30 round magazines but, due to a drafting error, only held 28)
The two 25 rounders seen on the ROMAX below have proven to function very reliably when cranked at about 100 cycles per minute, quite easy to do.
Since it activates the triggers 8 times per crank that translates to about 50 shots in 4 seconds!!!!!!
Do the math. Its a 750 shot/minute cyclic rate!
And no Class III
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
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You mean from laughter?
Its only a .22LR
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 11, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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That’s a nice camera, Ron. But it needs a bigger mag. 50 rounds of light plinkers ain’t nearly enough, especially at that rate. I’m thinking 500-rnd drum… with 550-rnd value-packs from Wally World.
If you are having troubles with uploading photos, try Photobucket or something of the like.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2010 - 10:58pm PT
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Trouble with the drums is that they don't give each other clearance.
You want more boom-boom? Get one of those scaled down Browning 1919 belt feeds that actually shoots .22lr.
Check 'em at the Browning Museum in Ogden.
I can see pairing a Mini-14 with a pump 12, but a .22????
Already got a Ramline punch loader and a "few" rounds. Yeah, having sunk a grand into the rig, it now yields major fun per brick. I dump tri-chloro-ethylene into it and then lube a little; good to go.
Back in biz.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2010 - 10:52am PT
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Thinking about moving the sight forward like a "scout" rifle.
Anybody have experience with that?
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 12, 2010 - 02:39pm PT
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They didn’t design that thing to accept a “custom” 500-rnd drum mag??? What the?
Got a small (cheapo) red-dot sight mounted to the top of a quad-rail that replaces the front grip (above the piston tube) on one of my AKs. I don’t really like it that much. When mounted forward, the housing of the sight will hide less of your field of view but if mounted towards the back of the rifle, the field of view through the sight is better.
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Robb
Social climber
The Greeley Triangle
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Jan 12, 2010 - 05:01pm PT
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Ron
Dito on what Minerals said. IMHO, moving the sight forward is like trying to drive yer truck w/ a rottweiler on the hood.
Just my two cents.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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LOL
Factor not considered so far; age related vision adjustment (I'm not as near sighted as I used to be).
I didn't say all the way forward, but target and sight would require less depth of field to correlate.
(and it doesn't weigh as much as a rottweiler, however you spell it)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 13, 2010 - 11:51am PT
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I still have real concerns about the stopping power of 5.56 nato.
I read hundreds of non fiction books and allmost every one since viet nam has first hand accounts of poor stopping power. More recently read blackhawk down and any of the stuff coming out of Iraq and Afganistan.
Seems like they are even bringing back old M14s in some cases to address that very concern.
One exceptionally graphic book that I read awhile back. Trigger Men by Hans Halberstadt should be required reading for Ron. Although I found much of it it quite disturbing but obviously very factual. They had rave reviews for the 77gr round but nothing good to say about the 62gr green tip. I have not seen the 77gr ball ammo available comercialy? They said the 77 grain load had poor hard target penetration but on exposed human targets they went down with one shot where as with the green tip they tend to keep fighting after being shot.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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Agreed TMC.
I read BHD and the comment about "shot with ice picks" resonated with me.
But weren't they shooting ball ammo?
I suffer from no such restrictions.
Have you checked out the Remington Premier Match 77gr BTHP ?
They really fly in my "varmint" Bushmaster.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2010 - 12:57pm PT
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Well that's just it. Everything is a trade off. I like 7.62mm. I just don't like hiking around with a big load.
If I did I'd be happy with my HK 91 with PSG1 trigger.
But that thing looks just a bit spacey, rails and composite stock 'n all.
Still reach for the PSS .308 for any shot over a half klik.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 13, 2010 - 12:57pm PT
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Ron. the thing with me has allways been to practice with the same load that will typicaly be used in the real aplication. That leaves you possibly in a situation where you have several cases of 55gr ball that you practice with but then you load up a few mags of 77gr soft point for tweaker control and now your POI is totaly different from your practice ammo...
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Jan 13, 2010 - 12:59pm PT
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Only a moron would do that.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
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Open sights won't make a big difference until out a ways, but I believe in dedicated loads for dedicated guns.
In fact the scope on the PSS is ranged to the specific load.
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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Jan 13, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
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Spaceguns to me, have a bunch of sh#t sticking off of them, lots of right angles, and shout "purpose built". This is not a bad thing. However, I want to be able to go to the range with it, or shoot it with my friends, or walk around in the woods with it, without freaking people out. I like the sporter look of the FN, and with a 4x-12x leupold on it, it wouldn't look half bad.
But it would still be a very capable tac rifle. Kinda like our venerable mini, or even m-14. Or an M-1 garand.
Space guns:
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 13, 2010 - 01:09pm PT
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All my guns are ranged to specific loads. Which brings me back to my point that unless you have an extreemly generous ammo budget your average 5.56 NATO battle rifle is going to be zeroed to whatever the last case of 55g or 62gr ball that you got a good deal on. So hypotheticly it could have excelent stopping power with those 77g BTHP rounds but in reality it will most likly be fed 55 or 62g ice picks.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 13, 2010 - 01:15pm PT
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If I had the money which I don't, I would get an M1 A1 with a 3X9 leopold on it. Wooden stock, box fed, match barrel. bipod. 7.62 nato
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2010 - 01:17pm PT
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You are making assumptions about the ammo TMC.
I have a big wide red dot on my SOCCOM, but I'm thinking about another Springfield scope for the M14.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 13, 2010 - 01:21pm PT
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Ron, you probobly have a coupple of them... I like old stuff.. Actually the coolest gun I have seen in awhile is the new semi auto Knight sniper rifle that looks just like an M16 on steroids. Pretty shure is in 7.62?
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