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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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As before in geologic history the biota will rise to the occasion and scrub this small fractional increase. The good news is that the oceans may be doing a better job of absorbing atmospheric CO2 than many assumed.
Where are you getting this data? I'd like to read it.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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I meant "Good one" as a compliment. Most people don't dig deep enough into climate to understand paleoclimate, its mechanisms, and its evidence.
90% of what we do is understand how a particular rock was deposited.
It is indeed an odd thing. The very thing that we may be causing is what sourced the hydrocarbons in the first place.
I have a very fatalistic view of what we are doing to the planet. Most people don't understand, and half of those who do understand try every method in the world to discount it.
Pretty funny post on landmines and the militaries in general. Our nation is now steered by the military industrial complex. Now we have a new one: the NSA had so much new work tossed on its shoulders after 9-11 that we have a secrecy industrial complex. If any government spends money, the congressmen or representatives will try to keep those plants and jobs open, even if the military says no thank you. Recently the military said that they didn't need any more tanks at the moment. The Right Wing rep and the deficit hawk senator from that state went nuts.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Another Nickname:
You are referring to methane hydrates. Go google it up and report back in a week and tell us what you learned. Seriously. People need to go out and read the raw intel. Meaning published papers.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Seems their was an extreme event some 55.8 million years ago, a super volcanic eruption in the north Atlantic that apparently triggered a massive methane hydrate release from the sea floor. Upon reaching the atmosphere the methane hydrate oxidized to CO2 and released water vapor. The ocean went far more acidic than the measly .1 variation of ph level just released to the public with breathless hysteria typical of the compliant press. During this event the microorganisms shells didn't all dissolve, they moved, adapted and evolved. Their are also classes of bacteria and microorganisms known as acidophiles that thrive in warm acidic water as well as Algae blooms. The increased oceanic CO2 content was disolved in the ocean in huge quantity and at lesser depths and permanently sequestered on the sea floor by submarine weathering processes in `100,000 years.
Can any of you, produce any kind of document showing consensus with IPCC findings with signatures of the overwhelming majority of Earth scientists that you keep referring to ? I think not.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Where are you getting this data?I would like to read it.
yes,please,i am a poor thinker with a rigid position.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Albedo change in the Arctic linked to fossil fuel burning by the exploding high latitude human population is a crock. My mid latitude barbeque is 100% responsible and you can come and arrest it anytime except Saturday evenings when I'm cooking steaks.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Bruce what the hell are you doing now-it looks like arguing with yourself brother.
Anothernickname- good one their with Dyson. Actually many many of the most esteemed scientists in the world have seperated themselves from the lunacy of the CAGW crowd. Ed's first list of organizations is B.S.- the few head honchos misspeaking for the whole.
Ed, man come to your senses seperate yourself from the catastrophists-you know in your heart and intellect that the whole thing was overhyped and its time to go neutral before the ship sinks beneath the waves.
To reiterate; The northern hemisphere is cooling The coldest temperatures ever recorded in the history of the northern hemisphere was this winter in Siberia at 96.1 degrees below zero. 19 of the 20 official weather stations in Alaska have recorded an average of 2.4 degrees cooling over the last 12 years. The most new sea ice in history was formed this winter in the arctic.The majority of Europe and Asia are coming off the second of two severe winters this one the longest in many decades. The measly .1 decrease in ph announced with hysteria this week is less than its amount of variation as measured in widespread locales. We are at the point in the Milankovitch cycles when a slow decline should begin to end this interglacial period and begin a slow return to the ice age.The sun (according to some highly respected astrophysicists) is entering into a period of quiescense that might rival the Maunder minimum of the little ice age.Antartica is in a slight cooling trend and more ice is being added to the eastern continent than has been lost in the arctic by some accounts.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Ed, man come to your senses seperate yourself from the catastrophists-you know in your heart and intellect that the whole thing was overhyped and its time to go neutral before the ship sinks beneath the waves.
I have been involved in a number of blogs the last few years and have not come across this term 'Catastrophists' that Rick uses. A little searching showing that it has theological origins;
Catastrophism has always been an important part of creationist geology.
catastrophism n. Geology . The doctrine that major changes in the earth's crust result from catastrophes rather than evolutionary processes.
-you know in your heart and intellect that the whole thing was overhyped
How does Rick know what is in the heart and intellect of others? I suggest he only knows what is in his his heart and intellect.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I invented the term myself McHale. By the way i'm thinking about a study of the physchology of catastrophists. Would any of you gentleman care to answer a few questions: 1. Were you castigated as being nerds in grade school. 2. Do you have children. 3. Do you feel rejected and ignored by society.4. Do you own a handgun or semi_automatic assault style weapon. 5. Have you been abducted and abused by aliens. etc.
Anothernickname- Google Global Warming Petition Project. You'll find a site that rejects the findings of the so called "Consensus". To date it has almost 31,500 signatures of american scientists alone. Note: their are additional thousands of scientists worldwide also in disagreement with the catastrophists.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Were you castigated as being nerds in grade school. 2. Do you have children. 3. Do you feel rejected and ignored by society.4. Do you own a handgun or semi_automatic assault style weapon. 5. Have you been abducted and abused by aliens. etc.
You are projecting again.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Would any of you gentleman answer a few questions.
you answered them by asking them.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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god damn it
refute the science and just the science and forget this gun and children unrelated stuff
I would like to read Rick's specific point by point peer reviewed work that refutes the science itself behind global warming, with or without human involvement, and not Rick's personal opinion because well, that is worthless to this discussion
by the way, it is really really weak to put forth the idea that because it is right now a little cold in the corn belt that that somehow negates the brutal price rise in all the US grain markets last summer when record, repeat record heat and draught ruined the crops
that analogy is like saying I own a bad and vicious Schnauzer, therefore all Schnauzers are bad and violent dogs
what is this, grade school?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Bruce- I wish my old friend Daryl aka Doug Fir was still with us. I'd ask him to take you logging, to see the forest through the trees. Now there was a man who could see the hilarity of this all.
Norton spare us the drama and just answer the questionaire.
And any of the rest of you that can't appreciate my presence here; just thank Dr. F who policed me to the epicenter of my pet peeve-junk science and agenda driven propoganda.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 10, 2013 - 12:39am PT
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Ed ED ED,You know i'm slow in my unscientific studies, furthermore as previously stated, i will check in over a period of years as conditions of the state of CAGW collapse warrants. Will look up some of the papers you cited soon. As for graphs, in the end the only ones that present hard reality are those charting the past to the current based on unambiguous, uncontested observation. The line of medial rise plateaued some 15 years ago and may well be trending down, possibly steeply soon.After several more years, if that trend line continues, i would be happy to graph it.
In the mean time, this false idea of a unanimous consensus is what i battle.Thanks for putting up with me.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 10, 2013 - 01:01am PT
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it got colder than normal for a week in January where i live
therefore the global warming thing is a lie that the scientific community made up in order to justify getting more and more research money so their personal incomes would go up
I don't make money so easily just by lying and manipulating data, and so I have a right to be contentious and jealous of the soft jobs and easy money the warming alarmists enjoy
do i got it right yet?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 10, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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Yeah Bruce, had many a drunken gut wrenching laugh fests with old Daryl. I climbed and worked with him (occaisionally-the work part) in ca. 79-80 before he was deported for, among other things, logging a bit in Yo.
And dont forget the aliens DMT
Norton- where the hell have you been the last decade-are you sequestered in your greenhouse,get outside man and smell the wild roses.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 10, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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Well Bruce, i had hoped to establish my credentials as a man who enjoys a good laugh. Anyway, this whole catastrophist thing is a joke, isn't it? Why else would i be laughing my ass off.
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